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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 903562" data-attributes="member: 2525">I'm not sure about that...I thought that in the round you hit with the claw and do the constrict damage, you are dragged into the space with that creature, and have already made a grapple check.  Therefore, once that happens, the other claw cannot attack since it was used in the whole-body method of grappling (again, unless it took -20 on the grapple check).Hmmm let me see if I get this.  If the creature just holds you, it doesn't make a grapple check, therefore deals no damage (is that right? Or would it deal constrict damage, but no claw damage?).  But...my read is that it's other arms cannot attack other people unless the creature took -20 on their last grapple check...based on the "using the whole body to grapple" rules.  I still see no way of holding on to someone and attacking someone else without taking -20 on the grapple check (which may in fact be what you are talking about), even with multiple attacks.Mind you, this whole discussion has ignored the impact of using grapple attacks instead of attacks vs. AC...thinking about it more, a creature with Improved Grapple and Constrict does benefit a great deal, since they now only have to make opposed grapple checks to do their damage, which tend to be a lot easier than hitting a PCs armor class (particularly since they are usually larger than the PCs and have a strength bonus), and the PC of course can only retaliate with a light weapon or other grapple moves (meaning that Paladin with the magic big sword and magic full plate is losing most of his advantage, since both are not usable).  Yeah, I'm thinking that if I am about to run into a creature that grapples a lot...I should probably run!</blockquote>

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