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<blockquote data-quote="Grazzt" data-source="post: 346656" data-attributes="member: 7">Just to rehash this thread momentarily...I noticed something about the check DCs for golem creation (using the golems in the MM). They are close to (in three outta four cases) the caster level for creating the golem.Flesh, Craft check (DC 13), caster level 14Clay, Craft check (DC 15), caster level 16Stone, Craft check (DC 17), caster level 16Iron, Craft check (DC 20), caster level 16Could it be that &quot;lesser&quot; golems have the Craft check set to 'caster level -1&quot; and &quot;greater&quot; golems have it set to 'caster level + 1,' excepting of course the iron golem which doesnt seem to fit the mold here.Monsters of Faerun doesnt seem to follow this pattern. Then again the dragons in that book dont follow the ability score advancements and starting points for the MM dragons either, so I pretty much ignore that book when it comes to breaking stuff down.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Grazzt, post: 346656, member: 7"] Just to rehash this thread momentarily...I noticed something about the check DCs for golem creation (using the golems in the MM). They are close to (in three outta four cases) the caster level for creating the golem. Flesh, Craft check (DC 13), caster level 14 Clay, Craft check (DC 15), caster level 16 Stone, Craft check (DC 17), caster level 16 Iron, Craft check (DC 20), caster level 16 Could it be that "lesser" golems have the Craft check set to 'caster level -1" and "greater" golems have it set to 'caster level + 1,' excepting of course the iron golem which doesnt seem to fit the mold here. Monsters of Faerun doesnt seem to follow this pattern. Then again the dragons in that book dont follow the ability score advancements and starting points for the MM dragons either, so I pretty much ignore that book when it comes to breaking stuff down. [/QUOTE]

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