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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5850879" data-attributes="member: 82106">The other dimension of it is we evolve. 30 years ago the PF core book might have appealed much more to me than it does now. My old eyes don't handle the smaller fonts and lower contrast that well. I have less time to read complex and irregularly structured material, and less time and propensity to master it. Back in the old days I'd have been more excited about complicated subsystems and whatnot. I guess that's a way of saying the same thing, except my needs have changed and with them my tastes. Anyway, I think there's plenty of room for a rather functional book which is still more engaging than 4e seems to be for many people. I don't think a more light conversational tone, more fluff, or more focus on aspects of the game that 4e didn't spend much time on are incompatible with the crunch being really clearly laid out and structured. I think we can 'have our cake and eat it too' in this respect. I'd note that the AD&D books were both engaging and laid out in a fairly clean way, though I can't say the rules were all that well structured. My final comment would be that one of the things I valued the most through the years about the 1e core books is their sheer durability. My 1e books are first printings I bought when they each came out. None of those 3 books has a broken spine, damaged cover, etc. They are FAR from looking new, but they are also STILL after 30+ years holding up and have plenty of life left in them. My 2e books in contrast are a shambles. Every one of them has loose pages and a shot binding, even though I took good care of them. The 4e books sadly are on a par with 2e. They're not BAD, but they won't last 20 years, no way. My PHB1 is already showing signs of getting ready to disintegrate. AV1 started falling apart after 2 months. Its hard to 'cherish' a book that can't hold together. I am glad I have my 2e books still, they're handy, but they don't have the same value to me as the 1e books do at this point. I'd hope 5e might be bound to archival quality on paper that will last. Maybe that's impossible in today's economy, but it would sure be nice.</blockquote>

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