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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8830657" data-attributes="member: 29398"><p>Indeed, there's certainly some contrivance involved in their stumbling onto the first one, which has with it a rather cryptic poem pointing to the other three (there is, however, a detailed back-story as to how and why this crystal got to where it was found and why the poem is with it, a story which the PCs are slowly picking up on as they go along and which - depending how things go - may becme more relevant later). That said, they just as easily could have missed the first crystal entirely (it was in a secret treasure room) and-or could have ignored the poem and gone off to do something else. But they found the treasure room and bit hard on the poem's hook, so away we go.</p><p></p><p>Sounds good!</p><p></p><p>Got any ideas how they can get the first one back, now that it's lost in Bag Hell? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> [SPOILER="The corner I'm in"]My guess is, knowing these characters and how they are usually played, they're probably going to try to recover the first crystal at some point; and unless they use something like a wish (highly unlikely at their level!) I'm at a real loss for ideas as to any avenues by which they could even hope to succeed. It's already well-established in the setting that a living being going into a Bag of Holding comes out dead if it comes out at all; so just shrinking themselves, diving into a different BoH, and cutting a hole in it isn't a very appealing option. It's also already established through play that the PC Clerics' deities don't want anything to do with these crystals (backstory: they've got inert essences of other deities bound up in them, and deities don't like to mess with other deities on principle) so divine intervention is probably off the table.</p><p></p><p>And the poem makes it fairly clear through its cryptic-ness that all four are needed, so I can't really go back on that now.</p><p></p><p>I've painted myself into a corner on this one. Maybe the whole adventure series will end up a failure...but that's kind of the nuclear option, to be avoided if anything else presents itself.[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>In my case and with my luck, the character would probably die shortly after the bolded bit happened, i.e. only after both she-as-PC and you-as-GM had committed to the story. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 8830657, member: 29398"] Indeed, there's certainly some contrivance involved in their stumbling onto the first one, which has with it a rather cryptic poem pointing to the other three (there is, however, a detailed back-story as to how and why this crystal got to where it was found and why the poem is with it, a story which the PCs are slowly picking up on as they go along and which - depending how things go - may becme more relevant later). That said, they just as easily could have missed the first crystal entirely (it was in a secret treasure room) and-or could have ignored the poem and gone off to do something else. But they found the treasure room and bit hard on the poem's hook, so away we go. Sounds good! Got any ideas how they can get the first one back, now that it's lost in Bag Hell? :) [SPOILER="The corner I'm in"]My guess is, knowing these characters and how they are usually played, they're probably going to try to recover the first crystal at some point; and unless they use something like a wish (highly unlikely at their level!) I'm at a real loss for ideas as to any avenues by which they could even hope to succeed. It's already well-established in the setting that a living being going into a Bag of Holding comes out dead if it comes out at all; so just shrinking themselves, diving into a different BoH, and cutting a hole in it isn't a very appealing option. It's also already established through play that the PC Clerics' deities don't want anything to do with these crystals (backstory: they've got inert essences of other deities bound up in them, and deities don't like to mess with other deities on principle) so divine intervention is probably off the table. And the poem makes it fairly clear through its cryptic-ness that all four are needed, so I can't really go back on that now. I've painted myself into a corner on this one. Maybe the whole adventure series will end up a failure...but that's kind of the nuclear option, to be avoided if anything else presents itself.[/SPOILER] In my case and with my luck, the character would probably die shortly after the bolded bit happened, i.e. only after both she-as-PC and you-as-GM had committed to the story. :) [/QUOTE]
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