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<blockquote data-quote="doktorstick" data-source="post: 805014" data-attributes="member: 4485">First, do you allow characters to open doors and move through them diagonally provided adequate space?Imagine a 5-ft. wide hallway with a character standing in the middle of it (no diagonals past him).&nbsp; He is aware of an invisible opponent because the fella he was fighting disappeared.&nbsp; The invisible creature needs to get past the guard.In our session last night, we ruled that there was a 50% chance (using the miss chance rules) that the guarding character would accidentally &quot;touch&quot; the invisible opponent thereby getting an AoO for having a character enter his square.&nbsp; Why did we rule this way?<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Normally, two creatures cannot occupy the same square.&nbsp; Bull rush and grappling are two examples to the rule.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul"> There should be some benefit for being invisible.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul"> There should be some benefit for controlling the square.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul"> The invisible creature wanted to get away, not fight (and lose the invisibility).</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul"> The invisible creature tried to move past, but the guard is on the defense and is actively defending the square.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul"> The miss chance was used because it simulates the chance of hitting an invisible opponent if the correct square is guessed.&nbsp; Or in this case, &quot;noticing&quot; by touching the invisible character.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Provided the notice succeeds, the invisible character is pinpointed and the guard makes an AoO without a further miss chance roll.</li>
</ul>Thanks for any input./ds</blockquote>

[QUOTE="doktorstick, post: 805014, member: 4485"] First, do you allow characters to open doors and move through them diagonally provided adequate space? Imagine a 5-ft. wide hallway with a character standing in the middle of it (no diagonals past him). He is aware of an invisible opponent because the fella he was fighting disappeared. The invisible creature needs to get past the guard. In our session last night, we ruled that there was a 50% chance (using the miss chance rules) that the guarding character would accidentally "touch" the invisible opponent thereby getting an AoO for having a character enter his square. Why did we rule this way? [list] [*] Normally, two creatures cannot occupy the same square. Bull rush and grappling are two examples to the rule. [*] There should be some benefit for being invisible. [*] There should be some benefit for controlling the square. [*] The invisible creature wanted to get away, not fight (and lose the [i]invisibility[/i]). [*] The invisible creature tried to move past, but the guard is on the defense and is actively defending the square. [*] The miss chance was used because it simulates the chance of hitting an invisible opponent if the correct square is guessed. Or in this case, "noticing" by touching the invisible character. [*] Provided the notice succeeds, the invisible character is pinpointed and the guard makes an AoO without a further miss chance roll.[/list] Thanks for any input. /ds [/QUOTE]

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