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[Controversy] So what's a munchkin to you?
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<blockquote data-quote="BMF" data-source="post: 197392" data-attributes="member: 3149"><p>Personally, I think it is a stupid word and I've never used it. Nor will I. I think it is something people with low self-esteems use to belittle other people. </p><p></p><p> I like all styles of play. Currently, our group is deep in a dungeon, fighting for their lives. We have to be tight on all the saving throws, AC, attack bonuses, and "depth."Otherwise, you're dead. And no one likes that. </p><p></p><p> Other times, I like to do complete role-playing, where not a single attack roll is made all session. </p><p></p><p> If gaming was the same all the time, I'd get sick of it. After a few weeks in the dungeon, I'm ready for some role-playing in the town. After a few days in a town, I'm ready to get back to the dungeon and bash some skulls. </p><p></p><p> I guess most gamers would agree with that. </p><p></p><p> So it is rude and hypocritical to call someone a pejorative word just because they happen to be into bashing skulls. Furthermore, everyone enjoys a good fight now and then. And they like to WIN that fight. So we all "power game" to a certain degree. In fact, you almost HAVE to "power game" in 3e just to survive (RttToEE, anyone?)</p><p></p><p> As for rules-lawyers, I have been one for 18 years. It is good to know the rules, and I enjoy playing with people who know the rules. It is anoying to play with people who don't know the rules and decide to "make it up" as the situation arises. </p><p></p><p> Cheaters, however, are a different breed. Call them what you will, I prefer to show them the door. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> Like I said above, in 3e, you almost HAVE to powergame just to survive. I think it is the "exploiting loopholes " that leads to the most widespread use of that word on these (and other) boards. There is wide disagreement among us about what is a loophole and what isn't. So when people see someone "exploiting a loophole" they yell "Munchkin." </p><p></p><p> I always think that the people who worry too much about "loopholes" are sissy DMs who can't handle a powerful character in their games. </p><p></p><p> You know what sort of a campaign I'm planning right now?? One where ALL the loopholes can be "exploited." I'm talking about the use activated weapons of true strike. Cloaks of shielding. Belt buckles of CLW. and anything else my players can make with that $%&^-up table in the DMG. </p><p></p><p> I want to see just what this "balance" and "Loophole" business everyone cries about all the time is about. Does that make me a "Munchkin?" </p><p></p><p> Who gives a Fu*k. I want to see what happens when you do that. How "broken" is the system??? I don't know. But I'm going to find out. </p><p></p><p> And I think it will be fun. </p><p></p><p> But, to get back on topic, I'll take a second to point out a few things that always get pointed out when we talk about this,</p><p>1. The game evolved from table-top war games. we all know this. At it's core, DnD is a tactical war game. If you don't fight in your DnD game, you're playing it wrong, and have no business calling the poeple who play it right a demeaning word. If you DO fight in your games, and you ENJOY LOSING, then you have every right to berate those of us who like to WIN the big fight at the end. </p><p>2. Gary is a "Munchkin." (read "gamer who prefers combat over role-playing")</p><p>3. The term seems related to the rise of WW and their "role-playing" game. </p><p>4. No one really knows what it means or who started it or why. </p><p>5. It is rude, hypocritical, and stupid to call someone a "munchkin."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BMF, post: 197392, member: 3149"] Personally, I think it is a stupid word and I've never used it. Nor will I. I think it is something people with low self-esteems use to belittle other people. I like all styles of play. Currently, our group is deep in a dungeon, fighting for their lives. We have to be tight on all the saving throws, AC, attack bonuses, and "depth."Otherwise, you're dead. And no one likes that. Other times, I like to do complete role-playing, where not a single attack roll is made all session. If gaming was the same all the time, I'd get sick of it. After a few weeks in the dungeon, I'm ready for some role-playing in the town. After a few days in a town, I'm ready to get back to the dungeon and bash some skulls. I guess most gamers would agree with that. So it is rude and hypocritical to call someone a pejorative word just because they happen to be into bashing skulls. Furthermore, everyone enjoys a good fight now and then. And they like to WIN that fight. So we all "power game" to a certain degree. In fact, you almost HAVE to "power game" in 3e just to survive (RttToEE, anyone?) As for rules-lawyers, I have been one for 18 years. It is good to know the rules, and I enjoy playing with people who know the rules. It is anoying to play with people who don't know the rules and decide to "make it up" as the situation arises. Cheaters, however, are a different breed. Call them what you will, I prefer to show them the door. Like I said above, in 3e, you almost HAVE to powergame just to survive. I think it is the "exploiting loopholes " that leads to the most widespread use of that word on these (and other) boards. There is wide disagreement among us about what is a loophole and what isn't. So when people see someone "exploiting a loophole" they yell "Munchkin." I always think that the people who worry too much about "loopholes" are sissy DMs who can't handle a powerful character in their games. You know what sort of a campaign I'm planning right now?? One where ALL the loopholes can be "exploited." I'm talking about the use activated weapons of true strike. Cloaks of shielding. Belt buckles of CLW. and anything else my players can make with that $%&^-up table in the DMG. I want to see just what this "balance" and "Loophole" business everyone cries about all the time is about. Does that make me a "Munchkin?" Who gives a Fu*k. I want to see what happens when you do that. How "broken" is the system??? I don't know. But I'm going to find out. And I think it will be fun. But, to get back on topic, I'll take a second to point out a few things that always get pointed out when we talk about this, 1. The game evolved from table-top war games. we all know this. At it's core, DnD is a tactical war game. If you don't fight in your DnD game, you're playing it wrong, and have no business calling the poeple who play it right a demeaning word. If you DO fight in your games, and you ENJOY LOSING, then you have every right to berate those of us who like to WIN the big fight at the end. 2. Gary is a "Munchkin." (read "gamer who prefers combat over role-playing") 3. The term seems related to the rise of WW and their "role-playing" game. 4. No one really knows what it means or who started it or why. 5. It is rude, hypocritical, and stupid to call someone a "munchkin." [/QUOTE]
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