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<blockquote data-quote="akr71" data-source="post: 7177669" data-attributes="member: 6801213">I would set a DC vs their Passive Perception - nothing too difficult maybe somewhere in the 10 to 15 range.&nbsp; Assuming someone passes this check tell the party what he is doing.&nbsp; The spell has verbal, somatic and material components (either a drop of water or a spell focus).&nbsp; Something like:&quot;It appears like he has stopped listening to you.&nbsp; Shoalar places his hand on his chest, gripping a strange amulet around his neck while the other hand begins to move back and forth in a wave like pattern.&nbsp; He is muttering strange words under his breath.&quot;If they are oblivious and do nothing the spell goes off, unaffected.&nbsp; If the party starts shouting their intentions at you, call for an initiative roll and the spell goes off on Shoalar's turn.&nbsp; If they really do nothing it might even be interesting to have everyone roll a Dex saving throw and use that as initiative - they are both Dex checks, but some would have their proficiency bonus added into it.&nbsp; Everyone who saves acts before the spell goes off, those that do not are knocked prone and take full damage.Full disclosure: I have never initiated combat in this manner.&nbsp; I only thought of it while I was writing this response and thought it would be an interesting way to jump into combat in these types of situations.&nbsp; They happen somewhat frequently in my games...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="akr71, post: 7177669, member: 6801213"] I would set a DC vs their Passive Perception - nothing too difficult maybe somewhere in the 10 to 15 range. Assuming someone passes this check tell the party what he is doing. The spell has verbal, somatic and material components (either a drop of water or a spell focus). Something like: "It appears like he has stopped listening to you. Shoalar places his hand on his chest, gripping a strange amulet around his neck while the other hand begins to move back and forth in a wave like pattern. He is muttering strange words under his breath." If they are oblivious and do nothing the spell goes off, unaffected. If the party starts shouting their intentions at you, call for an initiative roll and the spell goes off on Shoalar's turn. If they really do nothing it might even be interesting to have everyone roll a Dex saving throw and use that as initiative - they are both Dex checks, but some would have their proficiency bonus added into it. Everyone who saves acts before the spell goes off, those that do not are knocked prone and take full damage. Full disclosure: I have never initiated combat in this manner. I only thought of it while I was writing this response and thought it would be an interesting way to jump into combat in these types of situations. They happen somewhat frequently in my games... [/QUOTE]

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