Conversions of nonhuman gods for 3E

[BOZ]

if you haven't seen it before, the above poll references this document, which is a list of all the available gods i'm aware of.

please post some nominations below (either individual gods, or certain specific groups), and the most popular choices will be worked on first.

note that the good humanoids as well as orc gods were detailed in Faiths and Pantheons, but these are not full conversions! i do not have this book yet, but i will get it in time, and any conversions done based on these gods will have to wait until i have it.

for an example of what i've been doing, here are the conversions (some complete, some still in progress) of Aasterinian, Chronepsis, and Faluzure, Sardior, Maglubiyet, and Khurgorbaeyag, Nomog-Geaya, and Bargrivyek.

 

[Olive]

you mean stats right?

i'm not too worried about stats myself, but haven't most of the orc, drow, and good humanoid ones been done for the realms?

 

[BOZ]

see the above post.

and yes, 3E stats for the most part. see the links i provided for examples of what i intend to do.

 

[I'm A Banana]

Hurm....

BOZ, if you'd like, we could combine forces, somehow.

I do the deity-a-week thread (link in sig) which includes everything BUT the 3e stats....

Otherwise, I guess I'll just keep doin' my thing, and you keep doin' yours, and we'll overlap and duplicate a bit.

But it looks pretty nice so far.

 

[The Serge]

I voted for Evil Humanoids.

I think there are a number of considerations here. First, if we are using "precedent" as the basis for these designs, be aware that some things just never made much sense. In 2ed's Monster Mythology, we saw an explosion of deities that had not business being racial gods. Precedence would suggest you do the same thing and this, IMO, would be a mistake. I've no problem with there being a vampire turned god, or a lich turned god, or a god that likes to curse mortals with lycanthropy. But that's a far cry from a god of Vampires or Liches or Lycanthropes. I would entirely dump that asinine concept since such beings are the results of curses or self-afflicted behavior. This is also the case with the Demon Princes that appear in the Monster Mythology as gods and are mentioned in 1ed material as Lesser gods.

Second, I'm concerned about creating any of these things in a vacuum... WotC already made that mistake by allowing ed Deities and Demigods to be essentially autonomous from the Epic Level Handbook. Yes, yes, I'm aware of the arguments about why this was done, but we're seeing more and more reasons why it was not the best decision. While I greatly admire what you've done thus far, BOZ, I don't think it's wise to continue moving forward strictly using the core rulebooks and the DDG as the sole basis for designing these gods.

 

[I'm A Banana]

That ain't a bad point, believe it or not.

As the fan community, we can take advantage of melding the two books together...our gods can have epic levels...

That's extremely tempting to me. ^_^;

And it also makes me thankful I don't provide stats, just information.

 

[BOZ]

BOZ, if you'd like, we could combine forces, somehow.

i was, in fact, thinking about this last night. i was thinking to myself "hey moron, if KM is doing this stuff already, why are you bothering to do what's been done already?" so i decided to check out your stuff. while my stuff is mostly stats with some flavor text, yours is mostly flavor text with some stats. yes indeed, definitely some room to work together there. while we have yet to overlap, it's a matter of eventuality if we both keep going at it.

as to serge: i do know what you mean. my main assistant (i call him that only because i'm controlling the actual conversion - he puts almost as much input into it as i do) krishnath has practically been crying for that from the start. i do want to do them the way i've been doing to keep them in line with DDG gods, but i can also see why people would want the other options, especially if they have all of the other books and want to get some use out of them! personally, i live by the KISS principle - keep it simple, stupid! if i tried to do these things using all of those rules and ideas, it would take me twice as long, if not longer, to get everything together for the sake of consistency. consistency is the main reason i do it my way, and that's the way i feel i need to keep it for the sake of my own sanity.

BUT, i do see where you are coming from. the idea i posed to krish was that we do them this way, and then *rework* them later to include all possible options. i know how badly he wants to use things from FRCS, or ELH or the splat books, and i know you and others do too. so, when i finish with a particular god (Maglubiyet is the only such candidate at the moment) how bout i start another thread, and we work on fixing him up all badass?

just for the sake of argument, when/if i post these gods somewhere to the Creature Catalog (i want to do it, but i will hold them until i feel absolutely confident of their solidity) i will use my initial conversions. but of course, feel free to use/share the version you like better.

sound crazy?

 

[BOZ]

In 2ed's Monster Mythology, we saw an explosion of deities that had not business being racial gods. Precedence would suggest you do the same thing and this, IMO, would be a mistake. I've no problem with there being a vampire turned god, or a lich turned god, or a god that likes to curse mortals with lycanthropy. But that's a far cry from a god of Vampires or Liches or Lycanthropes. I would entirely dump that asinine concept since such beings are the results of curses or self-afflicted behavior.

also, this is entirely opinion. you're not alone in feeling this way (sean reynolds, for example, is absolutely up in arms about this subject). i feel this way: you don't like it, don't use it. when/if i do conversions of these beings, i will not be offended if you don't help (but i would be offended if you don't help me with the ones you do like! LOL).

do vampires, liches, and lycanthropes need gods? of course not. in fact, i'd say most of them are not very religious at all. the only reasons any of them might serve such gods is purely for power, anyway. and yes, i'd say these beings were elevated versions of "mortal" beings. lycanthopes are another story though. "true" lycanthropes are another story though - these beings were born that way and are never "cured" of their "condition". i'd say they would be a lot more likely to serve a god of lycanthropes than someone who didn't want to be one.

when/if i convert these gods will be a matter of popular choice. on the last thread for this subject, i had someone nominate the vampire and lich god, so i will add them to the next phase of this poll. if the demand is not high, i will not do them. fair enough? and when/if i do them, you can add some positive influence (such as "I've no problem with there being a vampire turned god, or a lich turned god, or a god that likes to curse mortals with lycanthropy. But that's a far cry from a god of Vampires or Liches or Lycanthropes.").

 

[The Serge]

I like you, BOZ. You're a cool guy.

Anyway, as always, I'll pop in every now and again to check out what you've come up with. I've spent a lot of time creating my own god for my campaign and, due to the Dukes of Hell and Demon Lord Templates I've designed, I've a pretty good handle on the various resources out there. So, if you would like any additional assistance beyond that offered by Krishnath, let me know!

Oh, and there are other options in re-creating the likes of Melilfleur and Ceguline (I think that's the Hag Goddess' name) in terms of flavor text... But, I'll leave it all in your hands.

 

[Regdar]

Bah, where is the none of the above poll answer?

For deities all that is needed is Domains, the Monster Manual stuff really isn't needed.