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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bacon Bits" data-source="post: 8957513" data-attributes="member: 6777737">Really the issue is that AD&D saving throws are a totally different scheme. They're orthogonal to 3e and later saves or defenses.R/S/W is easier than Spell. IIRC, it's literally Spell with a +1 modifier across the board. It's similar to how 5e wands have a fixed, lower DC. It's supposed to help compensate for the number of charges those devices have.Really if you look in, I believe, either the 2e AD&D DMG or one of the BECMI books, they have a description for what each save is supposed to be used with, starting with highest priority and descending.PPD: Effect tries to attack or destroy your life force directly or attack your body from the inside out.RSW: Some kind of device tries to attack you, especially one that creates a beam, ray, or projectile.PP: Effect tries to change your body against your will. Superseded by RSW.BW: A particularly nasty effect tries to attack you, especially one that you're innately vulnerable to or that mimics dragon breath. Superseded by PP.Spell: Anything else. Superseded by any of the above as appropriate.So disease is, for example, a PPD save. A Ring of Shooting Stars or Horn of Blasting would be RSW.I may have rays/beams in the wrong spot. But I recall them moving around.Spell is the catch-all saving throw. It's what you use when nothing else fits.PPD, PP, and RSW are all, in the general case, easier than Spell. Breath Weapon is, in the general case, harder than Spell. Some classes have hidden bonuses to certain save classes. Fighters, for example, have bonuses against Breath Weapons. Thieves are slightly improved across the board, except for PPD. Clerics are better against PPD. Magic-Users are better against Spells and RSW.In 5e style saves:PPD: This is always a Con save.RSW: This is whatever the spell is, or else probably Dex if it's a ray or projectile. It might even be a spell attack.PP: This is nearly always a Con save, but in some rare cases might be Wis.BW: Nearly always converted as Dex, but it may be Con (poison cloud) or something similar.Spell: This varies by effect. I don't think there's any other way to do these.[HR][/HR]Ah, I was able to find someone who quoted what I was looking for. It's from the 2e AD&D Player's Handbook:Not too terribly far off given that I was pulling from memory of something read over 20 years ago.</blockquote>

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