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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 8022894" data-attributes="member: 57383">Okay, the first question is do we keep the Huge size of the original?The 2E versions of Giants were significantly larger than other editions, as can be seen by comparing the six "standard giants":<table style='width: 100%'><tr><td>Giant</td><td>BECMI*</td><td>1E AD&D**</td><td>2E AD&D**</td><td>3E AD&D</td></tr><tr><td>Hill</td><td>L (12′)</td><td>L (10½′) Str 19</td><td>H (16′, 4500lb)</td><td>L (10½′, 1100lb) Str 25</td></tr><tr><td>Stone</td><td>L (14′)</td><td>L (12′) Str 20</td><td>H (18′, 9000lb)</td><td>L (12′, 1500lb) Str 27</td></tr><tr><td>Frost</td><td>L (18′)</td><td>L (15′) Str 21</td><td>H (21′, 8000lb)</td><td>L (15′, 2800lb) Str 29</td></tr><tr><td>Fire</td><td>L (16′)</td><td>L (12′) Str 22</td><td>H (18′, 7500lb)</td><td>L (12′, 7000lb) Str 31</td></tr><tr><td>Cloud</td><td>L (20′)</td><td>L (18′) Str 23</td><td>H (24′, 11500lb)</td><td>H (18′, 5000lb) Str 35</td></tr><tr><td>Storm</td><td>L (22′)</td><td>L (21′) Str 24</td><td>H (26′, 15000lb)</td><td>L (21′, 12000lb) Str 39</td></tr></table>* BECMI editions only provide the standard giants' height.** In AD&D giants have the same Strength score in both 1E and 2E, but 1E makes them much shorter and does not provide a weight.Anyhow, as you can see the Desert Giant has the same Strength as a Hill Giant - its AD&D Strength score is 19 (+3, +7) and its height of seventeen feet is just between the 2E Hill Giant's sixteen feet and the Stone Giant's eighteen feet.I'd be inclined to make the 3E conversion a Large giant that's 11 to 12 feet tall with the 3E Hill Giant's Strength of 25 rather than keep the 17 feet tall original scale for a number of reasons.a) If we make it a Hill-scale Large giant it'd be easier to source mounts for it since it can ride Huge animals such as the SRD Elephant rather than requiring a Gargantuan mount.b) If we make it a Huge seventeen-footer and had its Strength match the 3E Hill Giant's 25 it'd be woefully weak for its size.c) If we increased the strength to, say the Str 33 a Str 25 Hill Giant would have by applying standard advancement's +8 Str for upsizing from Large to Huge it would make them significantly stronger in melee. This seems problematic since Desert Giants crop up as NPCs in Al-Qadim so it might unbalance converted encounters if their 3E version was more powerful.</blockquote>

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