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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 6225676" data-attributes="member: 57383">I was assuming we'd make it two CC entries.If we used one entry called a &quot;Bone Tyrant, Master&quot; and included the Minions as a subentry it'd hide the latter's stats more than they need to be. Hmm, and it'd raise the question as to whether the single entry should just be called a &quot;Bone Tyrant&quot;.I think we should keep the &quot;banishing minions&quot; bit. We just forgot to include it.How about giving both Master and Minion a Dependence special quality, e.g.:Minion Dependence (Ex): Should one of a bone tyrant master's&nbsp; minions&nbsp; be destroyed, the master immediately gains one positive level.&nbsp; This&nbsp; level persists until the master can return to the lower&nbsp; planes and&nbsp; bond with a replacement minion.If a bone tyrant master is destroyed, all of its minions are immediately banished to the lower planes they originated from.Master Dependence (Ex): If a bone tyrant minion is destroyed while it is bonded to a bone tyrant master, the master immediately gains one positive level. If the bone tyrant master is destroyed, the minion is immediately banished to the lower plane it originated from. Yes, I think something along those lines would be easier.Hmm, but if we put a HD entry in the Minions' Advancement, that'd mean a Master could bond with Minions that've already been Advanced, which doesn't seem right.Wouldn't it be better to have a more powerful master give negative levels to Minions it has bonded with, so they get the normal benefits of a &quot;level boost&quot; (+1 bonus on attack rolls, saving throws, skill checks, ability checks; increase of 5 hit points; and +1 to effective level) for each negative level.Then we just need to decide on a HD/negative level ratio.I like a two-to-one ratio, since that'd mean the Minions and Master's BAB and good saves increase in time with each other.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 6225676, member: 57383"] I was assuming we'd make it two CC entries. If we used one entry called a "Bone Tyrant, Master" and included the Minions as a subentry it'd hide the latter's stats more than they need to be. Hmm, and it'd raise the question as to whether the single entry should just be called a "Bone Tyrant". I think we should keep the "banishing minions" bit. We just forgot to include it. How about giving both Master and Minion a Dependence special quality, e.g.: [B]Minion Dependence (Ex):[/B] Should one of a bone tyrant master's minions be destroyed, the master immediately gains one positive level. This level persists until the master can return to the lower planes and bond with a replacement minion. If a bone tyrant master is destroyed, all of its minions are immediately banished to the lower planes they originated from. [B]Master Dependence (Ex):[/B] If a bone tyrant minion is destroyed while it is bonded to a bone tyrant master, the master immediately gains one positive level. If the bone tyrant master is destroyed, the minion is immediately banished to the lower plane it originated from. Yes, I think something along those lines would be easier. Hmm, but if we put a HD entry in the Minions' Advancement, that'd mean a Master could bond with Minions that've already been Advanced, which doesn't seem right. Wouldn't it be better to have a more powerful master give negative levels to Minions it has bonded with, so they get the normal benefits of a "level boost" (+1 bonus on attack rolls, saving throws, skill checks, ability checks; increase of 5 hit points; and +1 to effective level) for each negative level. Then we just need to decide on a HD/negative level ratio. I like a two-to-one ratio, since that'd mean the Minions and Master's BAB and good saves increase in time with each other. [/QUOTE]

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