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<blockquote data-quote="Mordane76" data-source="post: 966676" data-attributes="member: 7172"><p>Our group is just about to convert from a house-ruled 3E to a house-ruled 3.5E, so this sort of idea is important to me.</p><p></p><p>As a DM (which is what I primarily do), I don't agree with you.</p><p>Even from a PC standpoint, I don't agree with you.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If rule sets are balanced, then there needn't be any incentives for the PCs; they should be as powerful in the new rules as they were in the old. In some instances, some "primary" abilities will be toned down, and originally "secondary" abilities will receive a boost. In some instances, there will be only cosmetic changes. But I don't think PCs deserve "carrots" to come into a new rule-set.</p><p></p><p>Usually, a revision or update is meant to rebalance the game to make it more equal in powers between different types of PCs, and as well as rebalance PC power versus NPC/Monster challenge. As a DM, if I gave incentive power to the PCs to entice them into the conversion, then why am I converting at all? My intent was to rebalance the game, not increase PC power -- or perhaps the revision will actually already increase PC power, because I feel that there are balance issues in the PC vs NPC/Monster axis.</p><p></p><p>As a player, I would feel badly if I even asked my DM for what basically equates to a bribe to convert. I understand the sometimes harsh realities of retooling the rule-set in mid-game, and I understand that some people will lose some power in certain areas, while other areas will grow to balance the loss.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If you've already sent this to your DM, and he took it, I'd say that you were lucky, or that he simply caved in because he didn't want to upset the players. Having played in 2E, I know some of the power issues, and I wouldn't let half the things from 2E into my 3E game, even with massive re-tooling.</p><p></p><p>If you haven't sent this to your DM, then I would suggest you really rethink WHY revisions occur. Revisions do not inherently "suck" for players, and asking your DM for power so you'll convert is bordering on offensive.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mordane76, post: 966676, member: 7172"] Our group is just about to convert from a house-ruled 3E to a house-ruled 3.5E, so this sort of idea is important to me. As a DM (which is what I primarily do), I don't agree with you. Even from a PC standpoint, I don't agree with you. If rule sets are balanced, then there needn't be any incentives for the PCs; they should be as powerful in the new rules as they were in the old. In some instances, some "primary" abilities will be toned down, and originally "secondary" abilities will receive a boost. In some instances, there will be only cosmetic changes. But I don't think PCs deserve "carrots" to come into a new rule-set. Usually, a revision or update is meant to rebalance the game to make it more equal in powers between different types of PCs, and as well as rebalance PC power versus NPC/Monster challenge. As a DM, if I gave incentive power to the PCs to entice them into the conversion, then why am I converting at all? My intent was to rebalance the game, not increase PC power -- or perhaps the revision will actually already increase PC power, because I feel that there are balance issues in the PC vs NPC/Monster axis. As a player, I would feel badly if I even asked my DM for what basically equates to a bribe to convert. I understand the sometimes harsh realities of retooling the rule-set in mid-game, and I understand that some people will lose some power in certain areas, while other areas will grow to balance the loss. If you've already sent this to your DM, and he took it, I'd say that you were lucky, or that he simply caved in because he didn't want to upset the players. Having played in 2E, I know some of the power issues, and I wouldn't let half the things from 2E into my 3E game, even with massive re-tooling. If you haven't sent this to your DM, then I would suggest you really rethink WHY revisions occur. Revisions do not inherently "suck" for players, and asking your DM for power so you'll convert is bordering on offensive. [/QUOTE]
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