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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 5459655" data-attributes="member: 57383">We could modify the scorpionfish or fish-scorpion's poison. They seem pretty similar:ScorpionfishPoison (Ex): Injury (spines), Fortitude DC 11; initial damage agonizing pain equal to a symbol of pain (-4 penalty on attack rolls, skill checks, and ability checks) for 2d6 minutes; secondary damage agonizing pain for 1d4 hours plus 1d4 Con damage. The save DC is Constitution-based.Fish-ScorpionPoison (Ex): Injury (spines or sting), Fortitude DC 13; initial damage agonizing pain (-4 penalty on attack rolls, skill checks, and ability checks) for 2d6 minutes plus 1d3 Con damage; secondary damage agonizing pain for 1d4 hours plus 1 Con damage. The save DC is Constitution-based.So, something like:Scathe Poison (Ex) #1: Injury (bite), Fortitude DC 16; initial  damage distracting pain (-1 penalty on attack rolls, skill checks, and  ability checks) for 1d6 minutes plus 1d3 Con damage; secondary damage severe pain (-2 penalty on attack rolls, skill checks, and  ability checks) for 5d4 minutes plus 1d3 Con damage. The save DC is  Constitution-based.The original description says the poison denies Dexterity bonuses, but  making them flat-footed for the duration seems unduly harsh. How about a  penalty to AC?Scathe Poison (Ex) #2: Injury (bite), Fortitude DC 16; initial  damage distracting pain (-1 penalty on attack rolls, armor class, skill checks, and  ability checks) for 1d6 minutes plus 1d3 Con damage; secondary damage severe pain (-2 penalty on attack rolls, armor class, skill checks, and  ability checks) for 5d4 minutes plus 1d3 Con damage. The save DC is  Constitution-based.Do we want to include something to reflect the way two -1 pain penalties add to a -2 penalty in the original? Adding "The pain penalties from multiple scathe poison attacks stack, to a maximum of X." would seem to cover it, with X = -2 if we use the original penalty, or X = -4 if we use the scorpionfish's?Scathe Poison (Ex) #3: Injury (bite), Fortitude DC 16; initial  damage distracting pain (-1 penalty on attack rolls, armor class, skill  checks, and  ability checks) for 1d6 minutes plus 1d3 Con damage; secondary damage  severe pain (-2 penalty on attack rolls, armor class, skill checks, and  ability checks) for 5d4 minutes plus 1d3 Con damage. The pain penalties from multiple scathe poison attacks stack, to a maximum of -4. The save DC is  Constitution-based.</blockquote>

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