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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 5045023" data-attributes="member: 57383">Ooh goody, another spider! I love spider monsters.I agree with aiming for a Challenge Rating of 6-7.Right. Since they're 9 HD shall we make them Huge Magical Beasts, since a phase spider is a 5HD Large Magical Beast and a Large Monstrous Spider is a 4 HD Vermin? That also fits its 2d8 bite damage, since a Huge Monstrous Spider has a 2d6 bite, which is pretty close.Ability score wise, here's a Huge Phase Spider and a Huge Monstrous Spider for comparison:Huge Phase Spider: Str 25, Dex 15, Con 20, Int 7, Wis 13, Cha 10Huge Monstrous Spider: Str 19, Dex 17, Con 14, Int 0, Wis 10, Cha 2The phase spider seems the most suitable model, although since we're modelling these as spider &quot;royalty&quot; which command other spiders I'm thinking they should have a higher Charisma and lower Constitution. Since they have good AC for a spider, I'd give them the Monstrous Spider's Dexterity. Maybe something like:Spider Queen: Str 24, Dex 17, Con 18, Int 7, Wis 13, Cha 16Since the original's got AC1, that works out as AC19 in 3E, so I'm thinking Dex 17 and +8 natural armour.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 5045023, member: 57383"] Ooh goody, another spider! I love spider monsters. I agree with aiming for a Challenge Rating of 6-7. Right. Since they're 9 HD shall we make them Huge Magical Beasts, since a phase spider is a 5HD Large Magical Beast and a Large Monstrous Spider is a 4 HD Vermin? That also fits its 2d8 bite damage, since a Huge Monstrous Spider has a 2d6 bite, which is pretty close. Ability score wise, here's a Huge Phase Spider and a Huge Monstrous Spider for comparison: Huge Phase Spider: Str 25, Dex 15, Con 20, Int 7, Wis 13, Cha 10 Huge Monstrous Spider: Str 19, Dex 17, Con 14, Int 0, Wis 10, Cha 2 The phase spider seems the most suitable model, although since we're modelling these as spider "royalty" which command other spiders I'm thinking they should have a higher Charisma and lower Constitution. Since they have good AC for a spider, I'd give them the Monstrous Spider's Dexterity. Maybe something like: Spider Queen: Str 24, Dex 17, Con 18, Int 7, Wis 13, Cha 16 Since the original's got AC1, that works out as AC19 in 3E, so I'm thinking Dex 17 and +8 natural armour. [/QUOTE]

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