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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 5536605" data-attributes="member: 57383">Problem is, that they form from fighter-types as well. It's have to be an 18th level high level fighter to have a +6 Will save, which seems too much.How about combining a more modest Will save with a BAB.Maybe Will +4 (= 12th level fighter, 4th level cleric) and BAB +8 (= 8th level fighter, 12th level cleric)?If they've become perversions of their original selves I'd rather allow the possibility of them having a reversal of alignment (like a Chaotic Evil anti-paladin).Furthermore, they're not all Knights, some are clerics. They could be fanatical priests of chaotically-inclined deities.That said, if you're both set on &quot;Always evil, never chaotic&quot; or the like I don't mind it.Besides, even an &quot;Always&quot; aligned creature can have exceptions, like the proverbial Succubus Paladin.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 5536605, member: 57383"] Problem is, that they form from fighter-types as well. It's have to be an 18th level high level fighter to have a +6 Will save, which seems too much. How about combining a more modest Will save with a BAB. Maybe Will +4 (= 12th level fighter, 4th level cleric) and BAB +8 (= 8th level fighter, 12th level cleric)? If they've become perversions of their original selves I'd rather allow the possibility of them having a reversal of alignment (like a Chaotic Evil anti-paladin). Furthermore, they're not all Knights, some are clerics. They could be fanatical priests of chaotically-inclined deities. That said, if you're both set on "Always evil, never chaotic" or the like I don't mind it. Besides, even an "Always" aligned creature can have exceptions, like the proverbial Succubus Paladin. [/QUOTE]

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