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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 8120805" data-attributes="member: 57383">We've got ways to remove/damage the network described in the Infestation ability so we can just include a reference.i.e. &quot;A symbiont never takes damage from attacks directed at the host. A worry-wart symbiont can be damaged by the methods described in the Infestation special ability (see above). A symbiont uses its host's base saving throw bonuses if they are better than its own.&quot;We could add to the methods if you like.Having certain creature-targeting spells (such as your suggested death effects or poison, disease, ability damage, energy drain etc.) simply affect both might work but has an obvious problem. The Worry-Wart is likely to have a lot lower Hit Dice, hit points and ability scores than a PC/NPC so is almost bound to die first with little risk to the host, making it an easy removal option.Maybe allow surgery to remove a completed network just with a very high Heal DC, or allow certain creature-targeting spells attack only the symbiont if the caster succeeds at the same very high Heal DC, otherwise they just hit the host or simply fail?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 8120805, member: 57383"] We've got ways to remove/damage the network described in the Infestation ability so we can just include a reference. i.e. "A symbiont never takes damage from attacks directed at the host. A worry-wart symbiont can be damaged by the methods described in the Infestation special ability (see above). A symbiont uses its host's base saving throw bonuses if they are better than its own." We could add to the methods if you like. Having certain creature-targeting spells (such as your suggested death effects or poison, disease, ability damage, energy drain etc.) simply affect both might work but has an obvious problem. The Worry-Wart is likely to have a lot lower Hit Dice, hit points and ability scores than a PC/NPC so is almost bound to die first with little risk to the host, making it an easy removal option. Maybe allow surgery to remove a completed network just with a very high Heal DC, or allow certain creature-targeting spells attack only the symbiont if the caster succeeds at the same very high Heal DC, otherwise they just hit the host or simply fail? [/QUOTE]

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