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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 5409219" data-attributes="member: 57383">Yes, we'd better rephrase that. While I guess a creature can touch a drowned maiden in the sense of &quot;touching the space it occupies&quot;, it can't make physical contact with one (as in a trip or grapple).Come to think of it, the also SA needs to say the drowned maiden has to be manifesting to use its Drowning Embrace special attack, I'd better include that.Fort is fine by meRevising...&nbsp;Drowning Embrace (Su): When manifested, a drowned maiden can try to drown any creature it touches with an incorporeal touch attack. Furthermore, a creature that hits a drowned maiden with a natural weapon or touch attack exposes themselves to the maiden's drowning embrace (the drowned maiden is usually immune to damage from such attacks, since it is incorporeal when manifested).Creatures exposed to the maiden's drowning embrace must succeed at a DC X Fortitude save or be pulled underwater by an unnatural current. Any creature who can not breath water who is pulled&nbsp; under must immediately begin Constitution checks to resist drowning (see&nbsp; Water Dangers in the DMG for the risks and effects of drowning). A&nbsp; victim can escape a drowning embrace using the same rules as escaping a&nbsp; grapple, except the drowned maiden uses its Charisma modifier instead of&nbsp; its Strength modifier in the contest.&nbsp; A potoplenytsia can hold as many&nbsp; creatures in a drowning embrace as it can fit within its reach, with no&nbsp; penalties on its checks. The save DC is Charisma-based.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 5409219, member: 57383"] Yes, we'd better rephrase that. While I guess a creature can touch a drowned maiden in the sense of "touching the space it occupies", it can't make physical contact with one (as in a trip or grapple). Come to think of it, the also SA needs to say the drowned maiden has to be manifesting to use its Drowning Embrace special attack, I'd better include that. Fort is fine by me Revising... [B]Drowning Embrace (Su):[/B] When manifested, a drowned maiden can try to drown any creature it touches with an incorporeal touch attack. Furthermore, a creature that hits a drowned maiden with a natural weapon or touch attack exposes themselves to the maiden's drowning embrace (the drowned maiden is usually immune to damage from such attacks, since it is incorporeal when manifested). Creatures exposed to the maiden's drowning embrace must succeed at a DC X Fortitude save or be pulled underwater by an unnatural current. Any creature who can not breath water who is pulled under must immediately begin Constitution checks to resist drowning (see Water Dangers in the DMG for the risks and effects of drowning). A victim can escape a drowning embrace using the same rules as escaping a grapple, except the drowned maiden uses its Charisma modifier instead of its Strength modifier in the contest. A potoplenytsia can hold as many creatures in a drowning embrace as it can fit within its reach, with no penalties on its checks. The save DC is Charisma-based. [/QUOTE]

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