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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 383123" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>"If someone had completely adapted the module to fit into their particular campaign world, I would still have had to adapt the material to fit my campaign, but it would start farther from the previously published material. In the end you have to realize that you are providing a service to a DM who may be in a different place than you are but wants to use the module as a springboard for his own campaign. Don't make it harder by imposing your campaign on the material."</p><p></p><p>Now this I understand and agree with. And if this was the problem that people were trying to avoid, that would be fine. It would be good advice to not adapt a module to your particular game world and then offer that as a 'conversion'.</p><p></p><p>But I'm talking about much more basic things.</p><p></p><p>In a module that I just finished converting there is a purple worm. In 1st edition it was a tough encounter, but not well beyond the abilities of the party of adventurers expected to play the module. In 3rd edition the same purple worm has about 3 times as many hit points and a much higher effective 'THAC0' (if you will) than its 1st edition counterpart. I admit, and I hope you agree, that this this leaves me with a tough choice that doesn't depend on the particular details of my campaign world. Either I must decide how to handle the encounter in a way that the difficulty is on par with the original difficulty, or else leave the (now somewhat ludicrous) encounter in a 'someone else's problem field'. I feel that if I don't make that tough choice, I'm not really doing a service to the person that downloads the conversion, because I'm leaving all the real work to the person who did the download. Maybe he'd look at my conversion and say, 'That's not the way I would have handled it here.', but nonetheless, that is a whole lot further along the process than 'There is no way I can run the encounter the way it is now.'</p><p></p><p>Suppose I was converting X1. As a DM who ran X1, I have alot of specific ideas about the module which have nothing to do with the text and everything to do with the extra material I developed to play it in the way I wanted to. While offering that extra material is interesting in and of itself (and I'd would argue elsewhere that I should be allowed to do that as a separate matter), that is clearly not what a conversion is about. On that we both agree. But I don't agree that it is good conversion practice to say, 'Oh, that's a mature adult green dragon', and put a stat block in its place, because mature adult green dragons are a whole lot more potent in 3 ed. D&D than they were in Expert D&D, and are in the context of today, rather ridiculous to add as an opponent in a module designed to take you from 4th to 7th level. I'm not doing anyone a service by just leaving them a stat block for a mature adult green dragon and saying 'deal with it'.</p><p></p><p>And lets face it, if you are downloading a conversion you are primarily interested in one of two things: either how someone else handled the conversion, or in having someone else do the work for you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 383123, member: 4937"] "If someone had completely adapted the module to fit into their particular campaign world, I would still have had to adapt the material to fit my campaign, but it would start farther from the previously published material. In the end you have to realize that you are providing a service to a DM who may be in a different place than you are but wants to use the module as a springboard for his own campaign. Don't make it harder by imposing your campaign on the material." Now this I understand and agree with. And if this was the problem that people were trying to avoid, that would be fine. It would be good advice to not adapt a module to your particular game world and then offer that as a 'conversion'. But I'm talking about much more basic things. In a module that I just finished converting there is a purple worm. In 1st edition it was a tough encounter, but not well beyond the abilities of the party of adventurers expected to play the module. In 3rd edition the same purple worm has about 3 times as many hit points and a much higher effective 'THAC0' (if you will) than its 1st edition counterpart. I admit, and I hope you agree, that this this leaves me with a tough choice that doesn't depend on the particular details of my campaign world. Either I must decide how to handle the encounter in a way that the difficulty is on par with the original difficulty, or else leave the (now somewhat ludicrous) encounter in a 'someone else's problem field'. I feel that if I don't make that tough choice, I'm not really doing a service to the person that downloads the conversion, because I'm leaving all the real work to the person who did the download. Maybe he'd look at my conversion and say, 'That's not the way I would have handled it here.', but nonetheless, that is a whole lot further along the process than 'There is no way I can run the encounter the way it is now.' Suppose I was converting X1. As a DM who ran X1, I have alot of specific ideas about the module which have nothing to do with the text and everything to do with the extra material I developed to play it in the way I wanted to. While offering that extra material is interesting in and of itself (and I'd would argue elsewhere that I should be allowed to do that as a separate matter), that is clearly not what a conversion is about. On that we both agree. But I don't agree that it is good conversion practice to say, 'Oh, that's a mature adult green dragon', and put a stat block in its place, because mature adult green dragons are a whole lot more potent in 3 ed. D&D than they were in Expert D&D, and are in the context of today, rather ridiculous to add as an opponent in a module designed to take you from 4th to 7th level. I'm not doing anyone a service by just leaving them a stat block for a mature adult green dragon and saying 'deal with it'. And lets face it, if you are downloading a conversion you are primarily interested in one of two things: either how someone else handled the conversion, or in having someone else do the work for you. [/QUOTE]
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