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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 8016318" data-attributes="member: 57383">I agree about excluding normal Animals but would keep Monstrous Humanoids as an option, since I'd like to include Centaurs.Treants is good too, although I think most Plant monsters aren't enough like &quot;fairy creatures&quot; to consider.&nbsp; I'm thinking that at the very least we should only consider a non-Fey creature if it has Sylvan as an automatic language.So let's see, I guess a treant is equivalent to a summon nature's ally VII summons? That spell's summons include the Elder Arrowhawk, Dire Tiger, Tyrannosaurus and Elder Xorn which are CR 8 like a Treant. Treants are certainly tougher opponents than the Megaraptor, Baleen Whale and Xorn in summon nature's ally VI.Yes, I think we'll have to.&nbsp; I've got the CC index in an Excel spreadsheet so it'll be relatively simple to sort all the Fey into CR order.Also, I'm thinking that sprites with no spellcasting would work.&nbsp; A grig without spell-like abilities because it's exhausted the three uses per day or whatever is a lot less of a threat than one that has 3/day entangle and invisibility.&nbsp; Its SR, DR, flight and longbow still make it a slight threat through since it can &quot;plink away&quot; at enemies.&nbsp;&nbsp; A pixie on the other hand, still has its greater invisibility supernatural ability after it's exhausted its SLAs.Erm, we've already included goatkin in the Creature Catalog.The Ovinaur has featured in multiple updates of the CC.&nbsp; Don't you remember the discussions about how to accredit it to Bruce Heard?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 8016318, member: 57383"] I agree about excluding normal Animals but would keep Monstrous Humanoids as an option, since I'd like to include Centaurs. Treants is good too, although I think most Plant monsters aren't enough like "fairy creatures" to consider. I'm thinking that at the very least we should only consider a non-Fey creature if it has Sylvan as an automatic language. So let's see, I guess a treant is equivalent to a [I]summon nature's ally VII[/I] summons? That spell's summons include the Elder Arrowhawk, Dire Tiger, Tyrannosaurus and Elder Xorn which are CR 8 like a Treant. Treants are certainly tougher opponents than the Megaraptor, Baleen Whale and Xorn in [I]summon nature's ally VI[/I]. Yes, I think we'll have to. I've got the CC index in an Excel spreadsheet so it'll be relatively simple to sort all the Fey into CR order. Also, I'm thinking that sprites with no spellcasting would work. A grig without spell-like abilities because it's exhausted the three uses per day or whatever is a lot less of a threat than one that has 3/day [I]entangle[/I] and [I]invisibility[/I]. Its SR, DR, flight and longbow still make it a slight threat through since it can "plink away" at enemies. A pixie on the other hand, still has its [I]greater invisibility[/I] supernatural ability after it's exhausted its SLAs. Erm, we've already included goatkin in the Creature Catalog. The Ovinaur has featured in multiple updates of the CC. Don't you remember the discussions about how to accredit it to Bruce Heard? [/QUOTE]

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