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<blockquote data-quote="freyar" data-source="post: 6012669" data-attributes="member: 40227">The way I read subtypes has to do more with characteristics (abilities), to be honest.&nbsp; It is a bit tricky, since the &quot;genetics&quot; of the planes should seem to come into play, but it does seem a bit ridiculous to give a critter a bunch of abilities via a subtype and then overwrite all of them explicitly.&nbsp; And, even if you look at the original quasi-elementals, ash is associated with the plane of fire (for example), but the negative energy plane connection more or less seems to reverse the associated subtype.As for the para-elementals, if I may be blunt, a &quot;wrong&quot; previous monster design shouldn't influence us too much here. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />And back to the quasis: I'd think it's fine to &quot;count&quot; the ash quasi as a fire elemental.&nbsp; But that nomenclature doesn't have to do with the rule elements of the fire subtype.Anyway, are we ready to get down to the abilities?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="freyar, post: 6012669, member: 40227"] The way I read subtypes has to do more with characteristics (abilities), to be honest. It is a bit tricky, since the "genetics" of the planes should seem to come into play, but it does seem a bit ridiculous to give a critter a bunch of abilities via a subtype and then overwrite all of them explicitly. And, even if you look at the original quasi-elementals, ash is associated with the plane of fire (for example), but the negative energy plane connection more or less seems to reverse the associated subtype. As for the para-elementals, if I may be blunt, a "wrong" previous monster design shouldn't influence us too much here. :p ;) And back to the quasis: I'd think it's fine to "count" the ash quasi as a fire elemental. But that nomenclature doesn't have to do with the rule elements of the fire subtype. Anyway, are we ready to get down to the abilities? [/QUOTE]

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