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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 6222649" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>I don't mind taking the height and weight columns out and leaving it to the description, I'd just like to be consistent.</p><p></p><p>Besides, if we did put Height and Weight columns in the Ash Quasi, which of the three tables would we add them too?</p><p></p><p>Using "An ash elemental has the same height and weight as a water elemental of the same size" has the benefit of simplicity.</p><p></p><p>We could cut the height and weight columns from the Dust Quasi and put, say, "a dust quasi-elemental has the same height as a fire elemental of the same size but weighs 20 times as much." to put its weight between a Fire Elemental and a Water Elemental.</p><p></p><p>e.g.:</p><p></p><table style='width: 100%'><tr><td><strong>Elemental</strong></td></tr><tr><td>Small</td></tr><tr><td>Medium</td></tr><tr><td>Large</td></tr><tr><td>Huge</td></tr><tr><td>Greater</td></tr><tr><td>Elder</td></tr><tr><td>Monolith</td></tr></table><p> [TD="align: center"] <strong>Height</strong> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #00ffff"><strong>Water</strong><br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><em>Ratio</em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <strong>?Dust?</strong> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><em>Ratio</em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #ff0000"><strong>Fire</strong><br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]4 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #00ffff">34 lb.</span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>1.7<br /> </em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]20 lb.[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>20</em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #ff0000">1 lb.<br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]8 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #00ffff">280 lb.</span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>7<br /> </em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]40 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>20</em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #ff0000">2 lb.<br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]16 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #00ffff">2,250 lb.</span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>28.125<br /> </em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]80 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>20</em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #ff0000">4 lb.<br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]32 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #00ffff">18,000 lb.</span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>112.5<br /> </em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]160 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>20</em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #ff0000">8 lb.<br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]36 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #00ffff">21,000 lb.</span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>105<br /> </em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]200 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>20</em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #ff0000">10 lb.<br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]40 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #00ffff">24,000 lb.</span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>100<br /> </em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]240 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>20</em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #ff0000">12 lb.<br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]? ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #00ffff">? lb.<br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>?<br /> </em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]? lb.[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>?</em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #ff0000">? lb.<br /> </span> [/TD] </p><p> Hmm, that could work. It does make the Dust Quasi proportionally lighter and lighter as it gets given. </p><p></p><p>Maybe making it "a dust quasi-elemental has the same height as a water elemental of the same size but weighs one tenth as much" would work better? It should give it a more even relationship to an Earth Elemental's weight at least.</p><p></p><p>Let's see:</p><p></p><table style='width: 100%'><tr><td><strong>Elemental</strong></td></tr><tr><td>Small</td></tr><tr><td>Medium</td></tr><tr><td>Large</td></tr><tr><td>Huge</td></tr><tr><td>Greater</td></tr><tr><td>Elder</td></tr><tr><td>Monolith</td></tr></table><p> [TD="align: center"] <strong>Height</strong> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #00ffff"><strong>Water</strong><br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><em>Ratio</em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <strong>?Dust?</strong> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><em>Ratio</em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #8b4513"><strong>Earth</strong><br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #ff0000"><strong>Fire</strong><br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]4 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #00ffff">34 lb.</span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>10<br /> </em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]3.4 lb.[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>23.53</em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #8b4513">80 lb.</span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #ff0000">1 lb.<br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]8 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #00ffff">280 lb.</span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>10<br /> </em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]28 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>26.76</em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #8b4513">750 lb.</span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #ff0000">2 lb.<br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]16 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #00ffff">2,250 lb.</span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>10<br /> </em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]225 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>26.67</em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #8b4513">6,000 lb.</span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #ff0000">4 lb.<br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]32 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #00ffff">18,000 lb.</span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>10<br /> </em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]1,800 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>26.67</em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #8b4513">48,000 lb.</span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #ff0000">8 lb.<br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]36 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #00ffff">21,000 lb.</span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>10<br /> </em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]2,100 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>25.71</em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #8b4513">54,000 lb.</span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #ff0000">10 lb.<br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]40 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #00ffff">24,000 lb.</span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>10<br /> </em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]2,400 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>25</em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #8b4513">60,000 lb.</span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #ff0000">12 lb.<br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]? ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #00ffff">? lb.<br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>?<br /> </em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"]? lb.[/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="font-family: 'georgia'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>?</em></span></span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #8b4513">? lb.<br /> </span> [/TD] [TD="align: center"] <span style="color: #ff0000">? lb.</span> [/TD] </p><p>Yes, I like the 1/10th the weight of water approach better.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The original lasted 1d10 rounds, which is considerable more. We could scale it so the duration dice depends on the size?</p><p></p><p>e.g.</p><p></p><p>Small - d4 rounds</p><p>Medium - d6 rounds</p><p>Large - d8 rounds</p><p>Huge - d10 rounds</p><p>Gargantuan - d12 rounds</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed. I shall now demonstrate my superbly honed talents at doing nothing to something...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>...were you impressed?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 6222649, member: 57383"] I don't mind taking the height and weight columns out and leaving it to the description, I'd just like to be consistent. Besides, if we did put Height and Weight columns in the Ash Quasi, which of the three tables would we add them too? Using "An ash elemental has the same height and weight as a water elemental of the same size" has the benefit of simplicity. We could cut the height and weight columns from the Dust Quasi and put, say, "a dust quasi-elemental has the same height as a fire elemental of the same size but weighs 20 times as much." to put its weight between a Fire Elemental and a Water Elemental. e.g.: [TABLE] [TR] [TD][B]Elemental[/B][/TD] [TD="align: center"][B]Height[/B][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#00ffff][B]Water[/B] [/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][SIZE=2][FONT=georgia][I]Ratio[/I][/FONT][/SIZE][/TD] [TD="align: center"][B]?Dust?[/B][/TD] [TD="align: center"][SIZE=2][FONT=georgia][I]Ratio[/I][/FONT][/SIZE][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#ff0000][B]Fire[/B] [/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Small[/TD] [TD="align: center"]4 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#00ffff]34 lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]1.7 [/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"]20 lb.[/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]20[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#ff0000]1 lb. [/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Medium[/TD] [TD="align: center"]8 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#00ffff]280 lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]7 [/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"]40 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]20[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#ff0000]2 lb. [/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Large[/TD] [TD="align: center"]16 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#00ffff]2,250 lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]28.125 [/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"]80 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]20[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#ff0000]4 lb. [/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Huge[/TD] [TD="align: center"]32 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#00ffff]18,000 lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]112.5 [/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"]160 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]20[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#ff0000]8 lb. [/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Greater[/TD] [TD="align: center"]36 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#00ffff]21,000 lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]105 [/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"]200 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]20[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#ff0000]10 lb. [/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Elder[/TD] [TD="align: center"]40 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#00ffff]24,000 lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]100 [/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"]240 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]20[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#ff0000]12 lb. [/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Monolith[/TD] [TD="align: center"]? ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#00ffff]? lb. [/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]? [/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"]? lb.[/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]?[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#ff0000]? lb. [/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Hmm, that could work. It does make the Dust Quasi proportionally lighter and lighter as it gets given. Maybe making it "a dust quasi-elemental has the same height as a water elemental of the same size but weighs one tenth as much" would work better? It should give it a more even relationship to an Earth Elemental's weight at least. Let's see: [TABLE] [TR] [TD][B]Elemental[/B][/TD] [TD="align: center"][B]Height[/B][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#00ffff][B]Water[/B] [/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][SIZE=2][FONT=georgia][I]Ratio[/I][/FONT][/SIZE][/TD] [TD="align: center"][B]?Dust?[/B][/TD] [TD="align: center"][SIZE=2][FONT=georgia][I]Ratio[/I][/FONT][/SIZE][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#8b4513][B]Earth[/B] [/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#ff0000][B]Fire[/B] [/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Small[/TD] [TD="align: center"]4 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#00ffff]34 lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]10 [/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"]3.4 lb.[/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]23.53[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#8b4513]80 lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#ff0000]1 lb. [/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Medium[/TD] [TD="align: center"]8 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#00ffff]280 lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]10 [/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"]28 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]26.76[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#8b4513]750 lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#ff0000]2 lb. [/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Large[/TD] [TD="align: center"]16 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#00ffff]2,250 lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]10 [/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"]225 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]26.67[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#8b4513]6,000 lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#ff0000]4 lb. [/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Huge[/TD] [TD="align: center"]32 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#00ffff]18,000 lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]10 [/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"]1,800 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]26.67[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#8b4513]48,000 lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#ff0000]8 lb. [/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Greater[/TD] [TD="align: center"]36 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#00ffff]21,000 lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]10 [/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"]2,100 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]25.71[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#8b4513]54,000 lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#ff0000]10 lb. [/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Elder[/TD] [TD="align: center"]40 ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#00ffff]24,000 lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]10 [/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"]2,400 lb[/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]25[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#8b4513]60,000 lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#ff0000]12 lb. [/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Monolith[/TD] [TD="align: center"]? ft.[/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#00ffff]? lb. [/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]? [/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"]? lb.[/TD] [TD="align: center"][FONT=georgia][SIZE=2][I]?[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#8b4513]? lb. [/COLOR][/TD] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#ff0000]? lb.[/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Yes, I like the 1/10th the weight of water approach better. The original lasted 1d10 rounds, which is considerable more. We could scale it so the duration dice depends on the size? e.g. Small - d4 rounds Medium - d6 rounds Large - d8 rounds Huge - d10 rounds Gargantuan - d12 rounds Agreed. I shall now demonstrate my superbly honed talents at doing nothing to something... ...were you impressed? [/QUOTE]
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