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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 6366780" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>I agree that seems the way to go, since it's (a) more in keeping with the original, and (b) means we don't have to change the Ash Quasi to match.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd be tempted to tweak the stats a bit. The original damage (1d8+HD, so 1d8+6-12) is significantly less than the AD&D 2E Earth Elementals 4d8. The average size Salt quasi's 1d8+9 damage has an identical average to 3d8, or a d8 less than the Earth. That's a bit higher than the 11 average damage of an AD&D Water Elemental's 2d10 attack.</p><p></p><p>Also, the Salt has a marginally higher AC than an AD&D Earth Elemental - AC 1 vs AC 2. Giving it a higher natural armour wouldn't make much sense to me, since I don't think it's be "tougher than rock", which leaves increasing the Dex the obvious solution.</p><p></p><p>So, how about giving it a lower Strength and higher Dex by averaging a Water Elemental and Earth Elemental's scores in those abilities?</p><p></p><p>Hmm, doing that exactly doesn't quite work:</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Average of Earth & Water</strong></span></p><p>[TABLE="width: 500"] [TR] [TD]<strong>Size</strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/TD] [TD]<strong>Earth</strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/TD] [TD]<strong>Water</strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/TD] [TD]<strong>Salt</strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Small[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 17, Dex 8, AC 17</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 14, Dex 10<span style="font-size: 9px">, AC 17</span></span>[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 15 or 16, Dex 9, AC 18?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Medium[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 21, Dex 8, AC 18</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 16, Dex 12<span style="font-size: 9px">, AC 19</span></span>[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 18 or 19, Dex 10, AC 20?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Large[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 25, Dex 8, AC 18</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 20, Dex 14<span style="font-size: 9px">, AC 20</span></span>[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 22 or 23, Dex 11, AC 21?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Huge[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 29, Dex 8, AC 18</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 24, Dex 18<span style="font-size: 9px">, AC 21</span></span>[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 26 or 27, Dex 12, AC 22?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Greater[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 31, Dex 8, AC 20</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 26, Dex 20<span style="font-size: 9px">, AC 22</span></span>[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 28 or 29, Dex 14, AC 23?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Elder[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 33, Dex 8, AC 22</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 28, Dex 22<span style="font-size: 9px">, AC 23</span></span>[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 30 or 31, Dex 15, AC 24?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Monolith[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 43, Dex 6, AC 25</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 38, Dex 22, AC 27</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/TD] [TD]<span style="font-size: 9px">Str 40 or 41, Dex 14, AC 28?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] But it does suggests that giving it a Water Elemental's Strength +2, a slighty lower Dexterity and a natural armour equal to or slightly lower than an Earth Elemental's natural armour might be the way to go.</p><p></p><p>i.e.:</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Proposed Salt Elemental.</strong></span></p><p>[TABLE="width: 500"] [TR] [TD]<strong>Size</strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/TD] [TD]<strong>Salt</strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Small[/TD] [TD]Str 16, Dex 10, natural armor +7, AC 18[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Medium[/TD] [TD]Str 18, Dex 12, natural armor +9, AC 20[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Large[/TD] [TD]Str 22, Dex 14, natural armor +10, AC 21[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Huge[/TD] [TD]Str 26, Dex 16, natural armor +11, AC 22[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Greater[/TD] [TD]Str 28, Dex 16, natural armor +12, AC 23[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Elder[/TD] [TD]Str 30, Dex 16, natural armor +13, AC 24[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Monolith[/TD] [TD]Str 40, Dex 14, natural armor +20, AC 28[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] What do you think?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 6366780, member: 57383"] I agree that seems the way to go, since it's (a) more in keeping with the original, and (b) means we don't have to change the Ash Quasi to match. I'd be tempted to tweak the stats a bit. The original damage (1d8+HD, so 1d8+6-12) is significantly less than the AD&D 2E Earth Elementals 4d8. The average size Salt quasi's 1d8+9 damage has an identical average to 3d8, or a d8 less than the Earth. That's a bit higher than the 11 average damage of an AD&D Water Elemental's 2d10 attack. Also, the Salt has a marginally higher AC than an AD&D Earth Elemental - AC 1 vs AC 2. Giving it a higher natural armour wouldn't make much sense to me, since I don't think it's be "tougher than rock", which leaves increasing the Dex the obvious solution. So, how about giving it a lower Strength and higher Dex by averaging a Water Elemental and Earth Elemental's scores in those abilities? Hmm, doing that exactly doesn't quite work: [SIZE=3][B]Average of Earth & Water[/B][/SIZE] [TABLE="width: 500"] [TR] [TD][B]Size [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Earth [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Water [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Salt [/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Small[/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 17, Dex 8, AC 17 [/SIZE][/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 14, Dex 10[SIZE=1], AC 17[/SIZE][/SIZE][/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 15 or 16, Dex 9, AC 18? [/SIZE][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Medium[/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 21, Dex 8, AC 18 [/SIZE][/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 16, Dex 12[SIZE=1], AC 19[/SIZE][/SIZE][/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 18 or 19, Dex 10, AC 20? [/SIZE][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Large[/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 25, Dex 8, AC 18 [/SIZE][/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 20, Dex 14[SIZE=1], AC 20[/SIZE][/SIZE][/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 22 or 23, Dex 11, AC 21? [/SIZE][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Huge[/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 29, Dex 8, AC 18 [/SIZE][/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 24, Dex 18[SIZE=1], AC 21[/SIZE][/SIZE][/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 26 or 27, Dex 12, AC 22? [/SIZE][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Greater[/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 31, Dex 8, AC 20 [/SIZE][/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 26, Dex 20[SIZE=1], AC 22[/SIZE][/SIZE][/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 28 or 29, Dex 14, AC 23? [/SIZE][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Elder[/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 33, Dex 8, AC 22 [/SIZE][/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 28, Dex 22[SIZE=1], AC 23[/SIZE][/SIZE][/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 30 or 31, Dex 15, AC 24? [/SIZE][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Monolith[/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 43, Dex 6, AC 25 [/SIZE][/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 38, Dex 22, AC 27 [/SIZE][/TD] [TD][SIZE=1]Str 40 or 41, Dex 14, AC 28? [/SIZE][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] But it does suggests that giving it a Water Elemental's Strength +2, a slighty lower Dexterity and a natural armour equal to or slightly lower than an Earth Elemental's natural armour might be the way to go. i.e.: [SIZE=3][B]Proposed Salt Elemental.[/B][/SIZE] [TABLE="width: 500"] [TR] [TD][B]Size [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Salt [/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Small[/TD] [TD]Str 16, Dex 10, natural armor +7, AC 18[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Medium[/TD] [TD]Str 18, Dex 12, natural armor +9, AC 20[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Large[/TD] [TD]Str 22, Dex 14, natural armor +10, AC 21[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Huge[/TD] [TD]Str 26, Dex 16, natural armor +11, AC 22[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Greater[/TD] [TD]Str 28, Dex 16, natural armor +12, AC 23[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Elder[/TD] [TD]Str 30, Dex 16, natural armor +13, AC 24[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Monolith[/TD] [TD]Str 40, Dex 14, natural armor +20, AC 28[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] What do you think? [/QUOTE]
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