Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 7262114" data-attributes="member: 57383">What are we doing about the "only damages people if at least one opponent believe it is real" ability? That seems a bit wonky. Why should a creature take damage from the figment if someone else believes in it? Also, if EVERYONE in the fight has to succeed on a save against EVERY figment the chances of at least one failure are so great it's not really worth bothering.It was quite a common mechanism for AD&D illusions, except it was only those who failed the saves who risked taking the damage!Also, it'd require a ridiculous amount of dice rolling. In the adventure Tomin can summon four figments per round - that's four saving throws per PC each round!Maybe rationalize it a bit  so only one Will save per person for a group of figments is required, and if ALL succeed no one will take damage, but if anyone fails the figments gain enough "substance" to inflict damage, but do reduced damage (maybe half?) to those who made their saves.It'd need to be a non-standard saving throw, maybe calculate it based on the total HD of figments plus the highest Charisma modifier amongst the figments?Hmm… if we gave them all the same Charisma modifier that'd mean a group of four 2 HD Small figments would require the same saving throw to disbelieve as a single 8 HD Large figment, but 1 point lower than two 5 HD Medium figments.Alternatively, if we used the proposed +2 step progression of their Dex, Con & Wis (to go with their Int 1/3/5) then a single 8 HD Large figment would have the same disbelieve DC as two 5 HD Medium figments, since the 2 HD difference will be balanced out by the 2-point higher Charisma. Contrariwise, four 2 HD Small figments would have a 2-point lower disbelieve DC.Hmm… I think I like the progressive Cha approach better. If the lower disbelief DC of a group of 2 HD figments is bothersome we could make the standard Small figments 3 HD creatures, but I'm OK with them being 2 HD. We could always arbitrarily give them something that grants a +2 to the DC, but that doesn't seem necessary.</blockquote>

Verification