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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 9891967" data-attributes="member: 57383">Yeah, let's go for that for the time being.Hmm, the Quadrone has 113.6% more hit points in 3.5 (47 hp) than 3.0 (22 hp) and the Pentadrone 65.6% more hit points (53 vs 32).Increasing the HD by two would give the Decaton Hit Dice 12d10+20 (75 hp), which is only 15.4% more than the 3.0 version.I'd rather go for 15d10+20 (102 hp) for a 56.9% increase or even 20d10+20 (130 hp) for 100%.Remember that Decatons have Constitution — if we're following the official 3.5 Base Modron examples, so it has bonus hit points from its size as per the construct type but lacks a Con bonus.Also, the 3.0 modrons being Outsiders gives them better BAB, Saves and Skills from their HD than the Construct type 3.5 modrons although some of that can be compensated for with higher stats.For example, outsider get 8 SPs per level versus constructs 2 SPs per level so to get near the 130 SPs of a 10 HD Intelligence 14 outsider, a 15 HD construct would need Intelligence 20-21 for 126 SPs and a 20 HD construct would need Intelligence 18-19 for 138 SPs.As mentioned above it needs a serious boost to Intelligence but the Wisdom and Charisma might be OK as is or only slightly boosted depending how many HD we give it.Con is "—" as mentioned above and Dex 15 is OK I guess.Strength 11 feels rather feeble but considering it has ten attacks I'm OK with not giving it any Strength bonus to damage.It'd be nice if we had some official 3.5 Hierarch Modrons for comparison purposes.Going by the Quadrone and Pentadrone precedents above the Quadrone had a 3-point AC boost from 3.0 to 3.5 and the Pentadrone has a 5-point boost.While that might suggest a 3.5 Decaton should have a 7-point boost to AC 32 that's somewhat deceptive.The 3.0 Base Modrons have Armor Classes that directly match their AD&D precursors (e.g. AC 4 => AC 16 for the Quadrone), but the 3.0 Hierarch Modrons have way better ACs.An AD&D Decaton is AC 2, which is AC 18 as a direct 3.0 match but the official 3.0 Decaton is AC 25.So it's already 7-points higher!</blockquote>

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