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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 9892029" data-attributes="member: 57383">Okay, the 3.5 Tertian has 26 HD, which is pretty close to 50% higher than the 17 HD of the AD&D and 3.0 versions. Its HP of 199 is about 20% more than the 166 hp of a 3.0 Decaton.So 15 HD for the Decaton as suggested earlier might work, for either 15d10+20 (102 hp) or 15d10+35 (117 hp) depending on whether it has Improved Toughness. That's 156.9% or 180% of the 3.0 Decaton's 10d8+20 (65 hp).For the abilities, consider the following:<table style='width: 100%'><tr><th>Type</th><th>3.0 Abilities</th><th>3.5 Abilities</th></tr><tr><td>Pentadrone</td><td>Str 18, Dex 16, Con 14, Int 12, Wis 12, Cha 12</td><td>Str 22, Dex 12, Con —, Int 17, Wis 16, Cha 16</td></tr><tr><td>Decaton</td><td>Str 11, Dex 15, Con 15, Int 14, Wis 14, Cha 14</td><td>Str ?, Dex ?, Con?, Int ?, Wis ?, Cha ?</td></tr><tr><td>Tertian</td><td>Str 22, Dex 17, Con 20, Int 20, Wis 22, Cha 22</td><td>Str 36, Dex 21, Con —, Int 30, Wis 28, Cha 26</td></tr></table>Not sure why the 3.5 Pentadrone has Dex 12 while the 3.0 one is Dex 17. Seems a bit backwards.From Pentadrone to Terian is eight "promotions" with Decaton on the first rung. The procession is Pentadrone  >1> Decaton  >2> Nonaton  >3> Octon >4> Septon >5> Hexton >6> Quinton >7> Quarton >8> Tertian.If it was even and orderly, that'd mean each step is one-eighth more than the one before it so some of a Decaton's stats are 112.5% of a Pentadrone.However, there is a big jump from Base Modron to Hierarch Modron as indicated by their Hit Dice, with an AD&D Decaton's 10+10 HD being twice a Pentadrone's 5+5 HD.If we follow that with the 3.5 Pentadrone's 6 HD then the Decaton would have 12 HD like you suggested, which suggests each Hierarch rank has 2 Hit Dice more than the previous one since the Tertian (26 HD) has fourteen more Hit Dice than a Decaton and is seven ranks higher.A neat progression like that seems rather Modron like.With Improved Toughness that comes to Hit Dice 12d10+32 (98).A 3.0 Decaton's saves are Fort +9, Ref +9, Will +9. The Fort save is relatively unimportant for a construct due to its physical immunities, but I think we need the Ref and Will saves to be roughly on par (note the 3.0 Tertian's Fort +15, Ref +13, Will +16 and the 3.5's Fort +10, Ref +13, Will +17).To get Ref +9 and Will +9 from a 12 HD constructs +4 base saves it'd need either 20-21 in Dex and Wisdom or 16-17 Dex and Wis with +2 from a save-boosting feat.Alas, we don't have feats to spare so that seems difficult, plus if it only has 12 HD that aggravates the comparative Skill Point shortage I mentioned earlier.Speaking of which, how does the 3E Tertian stand on SPs?The 3.5 version has 26 Construct Levels and Int 30 for 348 SPs.The 3.0 version has 17 Outsider Levels and Int 20 for 260 SPs.Note the 3.0 Tertian has twice the 130 SPs of a 3.0 Decaton (10 Outsider Levels and Int 14). If the 3.5 Decaton has around have the SPs of the 3.5 Tertian, which is 174 SPs, it'd need either way more Construct levels or a way higher Intelligence than the 3.5 version (or some combination of the two).For example (mostly extreme ones):12 Construct Levels => Int 30-31 for 180 SPs.15 Construct Levels => Int 26-27 for 180 SPs.26 Construct Levels => Int 18-19 for 174 SPs.Yeesh! I think we'd better keep the SPs close to the 130 of the 3.0 version.We could go back to 15 Construct Levels and Int 20 for 126 SPs. Wisdom 18 for Will +9 and probably Charisma 18. I could go for Dexterity 19 for Ref +9 but would consider Dex 15 like the 3.0 version and adding Lightning Reflexes for the Reflex save.Hmm, the 3.0 Tertian has mental ability numbers 6 or 8 higher than the 3.0 Decaton (Int 20 & Wis 22 versus 14 for the Decaton). Using a similar relationship with the 3.5 Tertian's Int 30, Wis 28, Cha 26 could give us, say Int 22, Wis 20, Cha 20. That's a healthy 144 SPs with 15 Construct HD and Will +10.As for Dexterity, the 3.0 Tertian has 2 higher Dex than the Decaton, which is the Dex 19 mentioned as providing Ref +9.That just leaves Strength. I'm still inclined to keep this relatively modest. The original only did 1d4 damage with each of its attacks, after all.Don't think I'd go over Strength 15.So Str 15, Dex 19, Con —, Int 22, Wis 20, Cha 20 and HD 15?</blockquote>

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