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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 5746904" data-attributes="member: 57383">If you like.Argument #1Roll up! Roll up! Buy your compact sized pliosaurs here! Half the length of Huge and half the fuss! With our new compact breeds you enjoy reduced feed bills and need never fear them outgrowing your monster infested moat!Argument #2The Dragon magazine Dinosaurs article says &quot;they may be treated as crocodilians of 5 HD or more&quot;.That Dragon Magazine's article on Crocodilians has the following HD/Damage/Size table:&nbsp;&nbsp; Hit Dice&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Damage&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Size&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1 hp&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Nil&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; S(to 3)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; ¼&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; S(4)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; ½&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1d2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; S(5)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1d4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; M(6)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1d4+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; M(7)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2d4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; L(8-9)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2d6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; L(10-11)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5-6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2d8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; L(12-15)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 7-8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2d10&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; L(16-25)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9-10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3d8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; L(26-35)&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 11-12&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3d10&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; L(36-45)&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 13-14&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3d12&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; L(46-55)As you can see, the 5 Hit Dice crocodilian is 12-15 feet long, which is a better fit to Large than Huge.Argument #3Your SRD Crocodile is 3 HD and Medium, with 4-5 HD (Medium) Advancement, so according yo the official 3rd edition rules a 5 HD crocodilian is smaller than Large. That means I'm being generous making them Large rather than Huge...Argument #4The fossil record indicates the largest species of Pliosaur could reach 50 feet long (e.g. &quot;Predator X&quot;), but the smaller species could be considerably smaller, e.g. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroplata" target="_blank">Macroplata</a> (~15 feet), <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyerasaurus" target="_blank">Meyerasaurus</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peloneustes" target="_blank">Peloneustes</a> (~10 to 12 feet) or the modest <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalassiodracon" target="_blank">Thalassiodracon</a> (which was only 5 to 7 feet long).Argument #5Even if every Pliosaur in the D&amp;D seas grew up to be Huge- or larger monsters, they'll be smaller when they were younger. A juvenile pliosaur would probably hunt much like an adult, so the DM would probably use the same stats for half-grown <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronosaurus" target="_blank">Kronosaurus</a> as for a full-grown <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroplata" target="_blank">Macroplata</a>, since both are about 15 feet long.Argument #6I was assuming we'd be having seperate stat blocks for each size category, e.g. Generic Large Pliosaur, Generic Huge Pliosaur, Generic Gargantuan Pliosaur et cetera.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 5746904, member: 57383"] If you like. [B]Argument #1[/B] Roll up! Roll up! Buy your compact sized pliosaurs here! Half the length of Huge and half the fuss! With our new compact breeds you enjoy reduced feed bills and need never fear them outgrowing your monster infested moat! [B]Argument #2[/B] The Dragon magazine Dinosaurs article says "they may be treated as crocodilians of 5 HD or more". That Dragon Magazine's article on Crocodilians has the following HD/Damage/Size table: [B] Hit Dice Damage Size [/B] 1 hp Nil S(to 3) ¼ 1 S(4) ½ 1d2 S(5) 1 1d4 M(6) 2 1d4+1 M(7) 3 2d4 L(8-9) [U] 4 2d6 L(10-11)[/U] [U] 5-6 2d8 L(12-15)[/U] 7-8 2d10 L(16-25) 9-10 3d8 L(26-35) 11-12 3d10 L(36-45) 13-14 3d12 L(46-55) As you can see, the 5 Hit Dice crocodilian is 12-15 feet long, which is a better fit to Large than Huge. [B]Argument #3[/B] Your SRD Crocodile is 3 HD and Medium, with 4-5 HD (Medium) Advancement, so according yo the official 3rd edition rules a 5 HD crocodilian is [I]smaller[/I] than Large. That means I'm being generous making them Large rather than Huge... [B]Argument #4[/B] The fossil record indicates the largest species of Pliosaur could reach 50 feet long (e.g. "Predator X"), but the smaller species could be considerably smaller, e.g. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroplata"][I][B]Macroplata[/B][/I][/URL] (~15 feet), [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyerasaurus"][I][B]Meyerasaurus[/B][/I][/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peloneustes"][I][B]Peloneustes[/B][/I][/URL] (~10 to 12 feet) or the modest [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalassiodracon"][B][I]Thalassiodracon[/I][/B][/URL] (which was only 5 to 7 feet long). [B]Argument #5[/B] Even if every Pliosaur in the D&D seas grew up to be Huge- or larger monsters, they'll be smaller when they were younger. A juvenile pliosaur would probably hunt much like an adult, so the DM would probably use the same stats for half-grown [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronosaurus"][I][B]Kronosaurus[/B][/I][/URL] as for a full-grown [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroplata"][I][B]Macroplata[/B][/I][/URL], since both are about 15 feet long. Argument #6 I was assuming we'd be having seperate stat blocks for each size category, e.g. Generic Large Pliosaur, Generic Huge Pliosaur, Generic Gargantuan Pliosaur et cetera. [/QUOTE]

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