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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 5748107" data-attributes="member: 57383">So do I.Might as well start on it.We've got a number of official creatures to model the stats on - the SRD's Elasmosaurus and crocodiles, plus Dragon #318's Liopleurodon:Liopleurodon (C) Str 46, Dex 10, Con 34, Int 2, Wis 16, Cha 13, 4d8 bite, NA +20Elasmosaurus (H) Str 26, Dex 14, Con 22, Int 2, Wis 13, Cha 9, 2d8 bite, NA +3Crocodile (M) Str 19, Dex 12, Con 17, Int 1, Wis 12, Cha 2, 1d8 bite, NA +4 Giant Crocodile (H) Str 27, Dex 12, Con 19, Int 1, Wis 12, Cha 2, 2d8 bite, NA +7We'd need to change their size to Large for our base creature:Large VersionsLiopleurodon Str 22, Dex 16, Con 22, Int 2, Wis 16, Cha 13, 1d10 bite, NA +8Elasmosaurus Str 18, Dex 14, Con 18, Int 2, Wis 13, Cha 9, 1d10 bite, NA +0Crocodile (M) Str 27, Dex 10, Con 21, Int 1, Wis 12, Cha 2, 2d6 bite, NA +6G Crocodile (H) Str 19, Dex 14, Con 15, Int 1, Wis 12, Cha 2, 1d10 bite, NA +4If we just average all four sets of numbers it works out:Str 21½, Dex 13½, Con 21, Int 1½, Wis 13¼, Cha 6½, 1d10 bite, NA +4½Hmm, I'm liking the Liopleurodon's Strength (which is also the average of the two Crocs) and the Elasmosaurus for the other stats.1d10 seems too low for bite damage though. The Dragon #112 article gave 2d8 for the damage, so I'd peg it inbetween at 2d6, like an SRD Crocodile advanced one size. It should certainly have base damage more than an Elasmosaurus, since they have much bigger heads.I'll start a Working Draft.</blockquote>

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