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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 5793480" data-attributes="member: 57383">That looks a pretty good start. We can cut the Improved Natural Armor and swap the Weapon Focus for some other feat - I fancy Endurance.The Placodons have a better swim speed - I'd make it Swim 30 ft. rather than the 40 ft. or so that the original stat's 15&quot; swim suggests, since placodonts were so heavily built it's unlikely they were fast swimmers.Better check the Dragon #112 Dinosaur article's stats for the &quot;Chelonians&quot; it mentions, to see what they're talking about...CHELONIAN, MARINE&nbsp; FREQUENCY: Common
NO. APPEARING: 1
ARMOR CLASS: 3
MOVE: 3”//18”
HIT DICE: 1 hp to 7HD
NO. OF ATTACKS: 1 (bite)
DAMAGE/ATTACK: Nil to 2-8
SPECIAL ATTACKS: Capsize boat
SPECIAL DEFENSES: Shell
INTELLIGENCE: Non-
SIZE: S to L, (2 to 12’ long)

They vary with size as shown below:

&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Hit Dice&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; . Damage&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; . Size
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; to ¼&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; . . . Nil&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; . . S(2-3)
 ½&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; . . . . . 1 . .. M(4)
 1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; . . .. . 1d2 . . L(5)
 2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; . . .. . 1d3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; . . L(6)
 3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; . . .. . 1d4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; . . L(7)
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4-5 . .. .&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1d6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; . . L(8-10)
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6-7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; . .. . 2d4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; . . L(11-12)



&nbsp; Aquatic chelonians, also known as sea turtles, may be found in Cretaceous settings as well as in modern ones, with the difference that Cretaceous forms may exceed 3 HD in size. Though large, they are inoffensive eaters of sea grasses and jellyfish. Modern leatherback and hawksbill turtles are typical, while Archelon is an extremely large Cretaceous form. If attacked, they usually flee; if this fails, they retaliate with a bite. Chelonians that are not attacking or swimming have an armor class of 2.
So, we're going from Small (2 foot long) to Large (8-10 feet long) for the Placodonts. That matches neatly with the fossil record.I'm thinking we should have separate stat blocks for each size like we did for the Pliosaurs, and give the Large version a Capsize special attack.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 5793480, member: 57383"] That looks a pretty good start. We can cut the Improved Natural Armor and swap the Weapon Focus for some other feat - I fancy Endurance. The Placodons have a better swim speed - I'd make it Swim 30 ft. rather than the 40 ft. or so that the original stat's 15" swim suggests, since placodonts were so heavily built it's unlikely they were fast swimmers. Better check the [I]Dragon #112[/I] Dinosaur article's stats for the "Chelonians" it mentions, to see what they're talking about...[INDENT][B]CHELONIAN, MARINE [/B]FREQUENCY: Common NO. APPEARING: 1 ARMOR CLASS: 3 MOVE: 3”//18” HIT DICE: 1 hp to 7HD NO. OF ATTACKS: 1 (bite) DAMAGE/ATTACK: Nil to 2-8 SPECIAL ATTACKS: Capsize boat SPECIAL DEFENSES: Shell INTELLIGENCE: Non- SIZE: S to L, (2 to 12’ long) They vary with size as shown below: [LEFT][LEFT][B] Hit Dice . Damage . Size[/B] [FONT=Courier New]to ¼ . . . Nil . . S(2-3) ½ . . . . . 1 . .. M(4) 1 . . .. . 1d2 . . L(5) 2 . . .. . 1d3 . . L(6) 3 . . .. . 1d4 . . L(7) 4-5 . .. . 1d6 . . L(8-10) 6-7 . .. . 2d4 . . L(11-12)[/FONT] [/LEFT] [/LEFT] Aquatic chelonians, also known as sea turtles, may be found in Cretaceous settings as well as in modern ones, with the difference that Cretaceous forms may exceed 3 HD in size. Though large, they are inoffensive eaters of sea grasses and jellyfish. Modern leatherback and hawksbill turtles are typical, while Archelon is an extremely large Cretaceous form. If attacked, they usually flee; if this fails, they retaliate with a bite. Chelonians that are not attacking or swimming have an armor class of 2. [/INDENT]So, we're going from Small (2 foot long) to Large (8-10 feet long) for the Placodonts. That matches neatly with the fossil record. I'm thinking we should have separate stat blocks for each size like we did for the Pliosaurs, and give the Large version a Capsize special attack. [/QUOTE]

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