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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 5180237" data-attributes="member: 57383">That looks basically OK.I'd rather it be a full-round action like a regular charge rather than a  standard action.We could cut the ramming damage a bit (to 2d6+Str?) but it does 2d8 with its bite, so having it do the same damage with its ram doesn't seem too far-fetched.We can keep the break DCs the same. With its +5 Strength bonus an average Chont has a 5% chance of breaching a sailing ship or longboat, a 15% chance for a keelboat and a 30% for a rowboat. That seems acceptable.Having a flat DC15 Reflex save seems a bit wiffy to me. A blow that would really rock a rowboat would presumably barely quiver a large galleon. Maybe make the DC 38 minus the Break DC? That'd make it Ref save to avoid a fall DC18 aboard a rowboat, keelboat DC15, sailing ship or longship DC 13, warship DC 11, or  galley DC 8. Of course, that is more fiddly than a flat DC15.I don't like the 1d10 damage to passengers on the rammed vessel. I'd rather it be 1d6 damage, like a fall of less than 10 feet or a fall off a horse. Maybe allow a Tumble or Jump check to convert the damage into nonlethal, maybe even a Profession (sailor) check.Modifying the Ocean Strider's version...Ramming (Ex): As a full-round action, a chont can swim at up to quadruple speed (200 feet) and ram a  waterborne target (such as a ship or another creature). To ram, the chont must end its movement in the target's space. This attack  deals 2d8+5 [or 2d6+5] points of damage. If the target is a creature, it can  attempt either an attack of opportunity or a DC 18 Reflex save for half  damage. The save DC is Strength-based.Upon ramming a ship, the chont can make a Strength check to  breach its hull, which causes the ship to sink in 1d10 minutes. The  break DC varies with the type of vessel rammed, as follows: rowboat DC  20, keelboat DC 23, sailing ship or longship DC 25, warship DC 27, or  galley DC 30. (See Chapter 5 of the DMG for information about ships).  Regardless of the check result, every creature aboard must attempt a  Reflex saving throw (DC 15 [or DC38 minus the vessel's break DC?]). Success means the creature takes 1d6  points of damage from being thrown about by the impact; failure means  the creature is hurled overboard. The creatures can soften the impact and make the 1d6 damage nonlethal by succeeding at a DC15 Jump, [Profession (sailor)?] or Tumble check.</blockquote>

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