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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 5205839" data-attributes="member: 57383">Well I think it's stretching it a bit putting these in the &quot;Psionic Monsters&quot; since they don't have any disciplines or sciences. Plenty of AD&amp;D monsters had Psionic Strength and Attack/Defence Modes.Still, their on this thread so we might as well keep them.<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />I was thinking the top layer of Carceri would suit them, since Othrys is filled with swamps and rivers.Spreading them along the Styx makes the most sense to me, we could say they live in any swamp connected to the river. The Styx flows through all the 1st layers of the lower planes, so that covers a lot of territory.Hmm, that Dex seems awful high for a blob, I'd rather have 16-17 or so.Str could do with being higher, since they're grapplers.Wisdom 10 doesn't feel right for a creature with psychic attacks, I'd rather it were higher so it has a respectable Will saves for a 14HD Outsider.MaybeLarge OutsiderHit Dice: 14d8+98 (161 hp)Str 24, Dex 17, Con 25, Int 13, Wis 16, Cha 16It will need a +10 natural armour to get AC22 with that Dexterity, although we should probably be aiming for something more like AC30 (+18 natural) for an Outsider of that HD.As for the alignment, they're created by a Demon Prince but have rebelled and turned Lawful, which is interesting. Giving them a neutral alignment component doesn't sit with me well though.Maybe give them the Evil and Chaotic subtypes with an alignment of Always evil (often lawful)?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 5205839, member: 57383"] Well I think it's stretching it a bit putting these in the "Psionic Monsters" since they don't have any disciplines or sciences. Plenty of AD&D monsters had Psionic Strength and Attack/Defence Modes. Still, their on this thread so we might as well keep them.:lol: I was thinking the top layer of Carceri would suit them, since Othrys is filled with swamps and rivers. Spreading them along the Styx makes the most sense to me, we could say they live in any swamp connected to the river. The Styx flows through all the 1st layers of the lower planes, so that covers a lot of territory. Hmm, that Dex seems awful high for a blob, I'd rather have 16-17 or so. Str could do with being higher, since they're grapplers. Wisdom 10 doesn't feel right for a creature with psychic attacks, I'd rather it were higher so it has a respectable Will saves for a 14HD Outsider. Maybe Large Outsider Hit Dice: 14d8+98 (161 hp) Str 24, Dex 17, Con 25, Int 13, Wis 16, Cha 16 It will need a +10 natural armour to get AC22 with that Dexterity, although we should probably be aiming for something more like AC30 (+18 natural) for an Outsider of that HD. As for the alignment, they're created by a Demon Prince but have rebelled and turned Lawful, which is interesting. Giving them a neutral alignment component doesn't sit with me well though. Maybe give them the Evil and Chaotic subtypes with an alignment of Always evil (often lawful)? [/QUOTE]

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