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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 4908272" data-attributes="member: 57383">Well if we add the Strength bonus that's 1d6+1, which is less than the average damage of two tentacle hits at 1d2+1 (4.5 versus 5). If the Deepwater Octopus hits with all eight tentacles it would do an average of 20 damage.If we want to keep it close to the original tentacle constrict, we'd need to either bump up the damage or have it Constrict per tentacle.Perhaps we're going about this the wrong way. The SRD Octopus does not have multiple tentacle attacks like their giant versions, just a single attack with its arms. The SRD Squid does the same, and that's Medium sized like the Deepwater Octopus. We could just give it a single "Arms" attack with its tentacles in the same fashion.Alternatively, we could give it three primary attacks with tentacle (1d2+1) or weapon (shortspear for 1d6+1?), and give it Constrict damage of around the average damage (7.5) of three tentacle strikes - say 1d10+2 (1d10 plus double Strength bonus)? That also more-or-less matches up if the Deepwater Octopus is advanced to Large size, with three tentacles for 1d3+5 (average 21 damage) versus 2d8+10 Constrict (average 19 damage).EDIT: I have a feeling the debate over this is going to be as long as that over Houyhnhnm Hoof damage.</blockquote>