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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 5625170" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Now there are accounts of packs of dholes killing tigers, but the tiger killing and wounding many dholes in the process (from 5 to 15 dholes in the ones I found after rummaging around the internet).</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I've been doing some number crunching, and that performance doesn't require any "pack hunting" boost to a Small Dog, just a willingness to take casualties.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">SRD Dog vs Tiger</span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>Dog</strong> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">(AC 15, <strong>HP</strong> 6, <strong>Attacks:</strong> Bite +2 melee (1d4+1), SA Improved grab, pounce, rake 1d8+3)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>Tiger</strong> (AC 14, <strong>HP</strong> 45, <strong>Attacks:</strong> 2 claws +9 melee (1d8+6) and bite +4 melee (2d6+3), SA —)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><em><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">For the Dog</span></strong></em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><em><strong></strong></em>Bite needs a 12+ to hit, and averages 3.5 damage.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">40% hit for 3.5 damage, 5% critical for 5.075 damage (3.5*0.55 +7.0*0.45)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Average Dog does 1.65375 hit points per round.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Flanking gives +2 to attack, so bite +4 melee and 10+ needed for dog to hit.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">50% hit for 3.5 damage, 5% critical for 5.425 damage (3.5*0.45 +7.0*0.55)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Average Flanking Dog does 2.02125 hit points per round.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><em><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">For the Tiger</span></strong></em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><em><strong></strong></em>The tiger's 10 ft. space mean 12 flanking dogs can attack it, averaging 24.255 hp/rd.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">If the tiger gets its back to a wall, only 8 dogs can attack it, of which 4 can flank, for an average of 14.7 hp/rd.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Claw needs a 6+ to hit and averages 10.5 damage</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Bite needs an 11+ to hit and averages 10 damage</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">A tiger's attacks do so much damage it basically knocks out a dog with each hit. Its rake attack is of no use, since it will have already killed or crippled the target dog with the first hit, thus.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Claw: 75% "kill", 2 claws = 1.5 dogs/round</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Bite: 50% "kill", 1 bite = 0.5 dogs/round</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Average of 2 dogs/round when full attacking.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em><strong>Results</strong></em></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">So it takes the dogs 2-4 rounds to kill the tiger, during which time they lose 4-8 of their number. That matches reasonably well with the (rather anecdotal) accounts of dholes killing a tiger but losing 5 or 13 of the dogs in their pack.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>

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