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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 6163644" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>To begin with, I don't think there's enough differences between the AD&D Giant Snapping Turtle and the BECMI Giant Snapping Swamp Turtle to justify us converting them as separate creatures. I think we should consider the BECMI Giant Snapper as an AD&D Giant Snapper that has advanced a size category, since that neatly fits its doubled HD.</p><p></p><p>While the BECMI "Swamp Snapper" has a Swallow Whole attack, the flavour text of the AD&D version says they swallow prey whole too - they just wait until their victims are unconscious.</p><p></p><p>For the stats, we should bear in mind the Stormwrack Snapping Turtle and the Enworld conversion of the Sea Turtle and Giant Snapping Turtle.</p><p></p><p> Here's the relevant stats:</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>Enworld <a href="http://creaturecatalog.enworld.org/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=1972" target="_blank">Sea Turtle, Giant</a> (3.5 Edition)</strong></span></p><p>Huge Animal </p><p><strong>Hit Dice:</strong> 8d8+48 (84 hp)</p><p><strong>Initiative:</strong> -2</p><p><strong>Speed:</strong> 5 ft. (1 square), swim 40 ft.</p><p><strong>Armor Class:</strong> 18 (-2 size, -2 Dex, +12 natural), touch 6, flat-footed 18</p><p><strong>Base Attack/Grapple:</strong> +6/+23</p><p><strong>Attack:</strong> Bite +14 melee (2d6+13)</p><p><strong>Full Attack:</strong> Bite +14 melee (2d6+13)</p><p><strong>Space/Reach:</strong> 15 ft./10 ft.</p><p><strong>Special Attacks:</strong> Capsize</p><p><strong>Special Qualities:</strong> Fortification, hold breath, low-light vision, withdraw</p><p><strong>Saves:</strong> Fort +12, Ref +4, Will +3</p><p><strong>Abilities:</strong> Str 28, Dex 7, Con 23, Int 1, Wis 12, Cha 4</p><p><strong>Skills:</strong> Spot +12, Swim +19</p><p><strong>Feats:</strong> Endurance, Snatch, Weapon Focus (bite)</p><p><strong>Environment:</strong> Any aquatic</p><p><strong>Organization:</strong> Solitary</p><p><strong>Challenge Rating:</strong> 5</p><p><strong>Treasure:</strong> None</p><p><strong>Alignment:</strong> Always neutral</p><p><strong>Advancement:</strong> 9-14 HD (Huge); 15-24 HD (Gargantuan)</p><p><strong>Level Adjustment:</strong> —</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>Enworld <a href="http://creaturecatalog.enworld.org/cc/converted/beast/giant_snapping_turtle.htm" target="_blank">Turtle, Giant Snapping</a> (3.0 Edition)</strong></span></p><p>Gargantuan Beast</p><p><strong>Hit Dice:</strong> 10d10+70 (125 hp)</p><p><strong>Initiative: </strong>-2 Dex</p><p><strong>Speed:</strong> 10 ft, swim 20 ft</p><p><strong>AC:</strong> 20 (-4 size, -2 Dex, +16 natural)</p><p><strong>Attacks:</strong> Bite +14 melee</p><p><strong>Damage:</strong> Bite 2d8+11</p><p><strong>Face/Reach:</strong> 40 ft by 40 ft/10 ft</p><p><strong>Special Attacks: </strong>Improved grab</p><p><strong>Special Qualities:</strong> Darkvision 60 ft, low-light vision</p><p><strong>Saves:</strong> Fort +14, Ref +5, Will +2</p><p><strong>Abilities:</strong> Str 32, Dex 6, Con 25, Int 1, Wis 8, Cha 8</p><p><strong>Skills: </strong>Swim +21</p><p><strong>Climate/Terrain:</strong> Any aquatic</p><p><strong>Organization:</strong> Solitary or band (2-4)</p><p><strong>Challenge Rating:</strong> 9</p><p><strong>Treasure:</strong> None</p><p><strong>Alignment:</strong> Always neutral</p><p><strong>Advancement:</strong> 11-19 HD (Gargantuan); 20-30 HD (Colossal)</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>Stormwrack Snapping Turtle</strong></span></p><p>Small Animal</p><p><strong>Hit Dice:</strong> 2d8+4 (13 hp)</p><p><strong>Initiative:</strong> –1</p><p><strong>Speed:</strong> 5 ft. (1 square), swim 20 ft.</p><p><strong>Armor Class:</strong> 15 (+1 size, –1 Dex, +5 natural), touch 10, flat-footed 15</p><p><strong>Base Attack/Grapple:</strong> +1/–2</p><p><strong>Attack:</strong> Bite +3 melee (1d4+1)</p><p><strong>Full Attack:</strong> Bite +3 melee (1d4+1)</p><p><strong>Space/Reach:</strong> 5 ft./5 ft.</p><p><strong>Special Attacks:</strong> Improved grab</p><p><strong>Special Qualities:</strong> Hold breath, low-light vision</p><p><strong>Saves:</strong> Fort +5, Ref +2, Will +1</p><p><strong>Abilities:</strong> Str 12, Dex 8, Con 15, Int 1, Wis 12, Cha 4</p><p><strong>Skills:</strong> Spot +6, Swim +9</p><p><strong>Feats:</strong> Improved Natural Armor<strong>ᴮ</strong>, Weapon Focus (bite)</p><p><strong>Environment:</strong> Temperate marshes</p><p><strong>Organization:</strong> Solitary</p><p><strong>Challenge Rating:</strong> 1</p><p><strong>Treasure:</strong> None</p><p><strong>Alignment:</strong> Always neutral</p><p><strong>Advancement:</strong> 3–4 HD (Small)</p><p><strong>Level Adjustment:</strong> —</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 6163644, member: 57383"] To begin with, I don't think there's enough differences between the AD&D Giant Snapping Turtle and the BECMI Giant Snapping Swamp Turtle to justify us converting them as separate creatures. I think we should consider the BECMI Giant Snapper as an AD&D Giant Snapper that has advanced a size category, since that neatly fits its doubled HD. While the BECMI "Swamp Snapper" has a Swallow Whole attack, the flavour text of the AD&D version says they swallow prey whole too - they just wait until their victims are unconscious. For the stats, we should bear in mind the Stormwrack Snapping Turtle and the Enworld conversion of the Sea Turtle and Giant Snapping Turtle. Here's the relevant stats: [SIZE=4][B]Enworld [URL="http://creaturecatalog.enworld.org/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=1972"]Sea Turtle, Giant[/URL] (3.5 Edition)[/B][/SIZE] Huge Animal [B]Hit Dice:[/B] 8d8+48 (84 hp) [B]Initiative:[/B] -2 [B]Speed:[/B] 5 ft. (1 square), swim 40 ft. [B]Armor Class:[/B] 18 (-2 size, -2 Dex, +12 natural), touch 6, flat-footed 18 [B]Base Attack/Grapple:[/B] +6/+23 [B]Attack:[/B] Bite +14 melee (2d6+13) [B]Full Attack:[/B] Bite +14 melee (2d6+13) [B]Space/Reach:[/B] 15 ft./10 ft. [B]Special Attacks:[/B] Capsize [B]Special Qualities:[/B] Fortification, hold breath, low-light vision, withdraw [B]Saves:[/B] Fort +12, Ref +4, Will +3 [B]Abilities:[/B] Str 28, Dex 7, Con 23, Int 1, Wis 12, Cha 4 [B]Skills:[/B] Spot +12, Swim +19 [B]Feats:[/B] Endurance, Snatch, Weapon Focus (bite) [B]Environment:[/B] Any aquatic [B]Organization:[/B] Solitary [B]Challenge Rating:[/B] 5 [B]Treasure:[/B] None [B]Alignment:[/B] Always neutral [B]Advancement:[/B] 9-14 HD (Huge); 15-24 HD (Gargantuan) [B]Level Adjustment:[/B] — [SIZE=4][B]Enworld [URL="http://creaturecatalog.enworld.org/cc/converted/beast/giant_snapping_turtle.htm"]Turtle, Giant Snapping[/URL] (3.0 Edition)[/B][/SIZE] Gargantuan Beast [B]Hit Dice:[/B] 10d10+70 (125 hp) [B]Initiative: [/B]-2 Dex [B]Speed:[/B] 10 ft, swim 20 ft [B]AC:[/B] 20 (-4 size, -2 Dex, +16 natural) [B]Attacks:[/B] Bite +14 melee [B]Damage:[/B] Bite 2d8+11 [B]Face/Reach:[/B] 40 ft by 40 ft/10 ft [B]Special Attacks: [/B]Improved grab [B]Special Qualities:[/B] Darkvision 60 ft, low-light vision [B]Saves:[/B] Fort +14, Ref +5, Will +2 [B]Abilities:[/B] Str 32, Dex 6, Con 25, Int 1, Wis 8, Cha 8 [B]Skills: [/B]Swim +21 [B]Climate/Terrain:[/B] Any aquatic [B]Organization:[/B] Solitary or band (2-4) [B]Challenge Rating:[/B] 9 [B]Treasure:[/B] None [B]Alignment:[/B] Always neutral [B]Advancement:[/B] 11-19 HD (Gargantuan); 20-30 HD (Colossal) [SIZE=4][B]Stormwrack Snapping Turtle[/B][/SIZE] Small Animal [B]Hit Dice:[/B] 2d8+4 (13 hp) [B]Initiative:[/B] –1 [B]Speed:[/B] 5 ft. (1 square), swim 20 ft. [B]Armor Class:[/B] 15 (+1 size, –1 Dex, +5 natural), touch 10, flat-footed 15 [B]Base Attack/Grapple:[/B] +1/–2 [B]Attack:[/B] Bite +3 melee (1d4+1) [B]Full Attack:[/B] Bite +3 melee (1d4+1) [B]Space/Reach:[/B] 5 ft./5 ft. [B]Special Attacks:[/B] Improved grab [B]Special Qualities:[/B] Hold breath, low-light vision [B]Saves:[/B] Fort +5, Ref +2, Will +1 [B]Abilities:[/B] Str 12, Dex 8, Con 15, Int 1, Wis 12, Cha 4 [B]Skills:[/B] Spot +6, Swim +9 [B]Feats:[/B] Improved Natural Armor[B]ᴮ[/B], Weapon Focus (bite) [B]Environment:[/B] Temperate marshes [B]Organization:[/B] Solitary [B]Challenge Rating:[/B] 1 [B]Treasure:[/B] None [B]Alignment:[/B] Always neutral [B]Advancement:[/B] 3–4 HD (Small) [B]Level Adjustment:[/B] — [/QUOTE]
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