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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 6163653" data-attributes="member: 57383">To begin with, the Giant Snapping Turtle is somewhat smaller than the Giant Sea Turtle. In AD&amp;D the former has a 50 ft. shell diameter and the latter a 40 ft. shell diameter.I think we should make the Enworld conversion Huge with a 12 ft to 20 ft. diameter shell so it keeps the same size comparison to the Enworld Giant Sea Turtle conversion.We should give it a Swallow Whole attack as well as Improved Grab. If we set the swallow whole to 3 size categories, only an advanced Gargantuan turtle will be able to swallow human-sized victims, which'll allow us to limit that attack to a 20+ HD turtle in honor of the BECMI Giant Snapping Swamp Turtle.We should also consider the stats of the Stormwrack Snapping Turtle. If we ignore the Improved Natural Armor bonus feat (which is completely pointless) and advance the turtle to Huge size, it comes out as:&nbsp;Stormwrack Snapping Turtle, Huge-ifiedHuge AnimalInitiative: –4Speed: 5 ft. (1 square), swim 20 ft.Attack: Bite +?? melee (2d6+16)Armor Class: 14 (-2 size, –4 Dex, +10 natural), touch 4, flat-footed 14Space/Reach: 15 ft./10 ft. (20 ft. with bite?)Abilities: Str 32, Dex 2, Con 27, Int 1, Wis 12, Cha 4Some of those numbers are pretty close to the Enworld Giant Sea Turtle and 3.0 Giant Snapper, but some look like they'll need tweaking.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 6163653, member: 57383"] To begin with, the Giant Snapping Turtle is somewhat smaller than the Giant Sea Turtle. In AD&D the former has a 50 ft. shell diameter and the latter a 40 ft. shell diameter. I think we should make the Enworld conversion Huge with a 12 ft to 20 ft. diameter shell so it keeps the same size comparison to the Enworld Giant Sea Turtle conversion. We should give it a Swallow Whole attack as well as Improved Grab. If we set the swallow whole to 3 size categories, only an advanced Gargantuan turtle will be able to swallow human-sized victims, which'll allow us to limit that attack to a 20+ HD turtle in honor of the BECMI Giant Snapping Swamp Turtle. We should also consider the stats of the Stormwrack Snapping Turtle. If we ignore the Improved Natural Armor bonus feat (which is completely pointless) and advance the turtle to Huge size, it comes out as: [SIZE=4] [/SIZE][B][SIZE=4]Stormwrack Snapping Turtle, Huge-ified[/SIZE] [/B]Huge Animal [B]Initiative:[/B] –4 [B]Speed:[/B] 5 ft. (1 square), swim 20 ft. [B]Attack:[/B] Bite +?? melee (2d6+16) [B]Armor Class:[/B] 14 (-2 size, –4 Dex, +10 natural), touch 4, flat-footed 14 [B]Space/Reach:[/B] 15 ft./10 ft. (20 ft. with bite?) [B]Abilities:[/B] Str 32, Dex 2, Con 27, Int 1, Wis 12, Cha 4 Some of those numbers are pretty close to the Enworld Giant Sea Turtle and 3.0 Giant Snapper, but some look like they'll need tweaking. [/QUOTE]

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