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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crashy75" data-source="post: 3306783" data-attributes="member: 11017">Li, I like your thinking so far.  I haven't had time to read completely so forgive anything I've missed. +5 to the DC?  Personally, i don't think bluff fits very well.  Would a diplomacy retry (with no penalty) be so bad?  The skill implies that retries would have some sort of penalty.  You could make a 'normal' retry have some sort of penalty (-5 if allowed at all) with this trick eliminating the penalty and assuring a single retry.  I'd give it a req: 5 dip, 1 sense motive.mmm... I don't like this one for 3 reasons:#1 As you said, Sleight of Hand can't mask verbal components.  #2: I'm leery about giving virtual feats to full spellcasters when they are so powerful as it is.  The one thing I did like about SoH is that 5 cross-class ranks are a pain to come by and it makes the ability hard to sustain at higher levels.  Though, I have a sneaking suspicion that the bedazzler gets SoH as a class skill.#3: To me, the reason casting a spell provokes AoO's is because the caster has to let his guard down to cast spells.  I don't think it matters if the attacker thinks he's casting a spell or weaving a basket.  If the same caster were to cast a silenced, stilled, eschewed spell, he'd still provoke an AoO unless he also cast defensively even though nobody around him would know he's casting a spell.  That’s my feeling anyway.  Also, I think this trick should be for social situations where it's inappropriate to cast a spell or perhaps as a way to avoid a counterspell.I think the reason they used SoH, and not bluff (for example) is that bards have it and most other casters don't.  I really don't think this should be a spellcraft roll.  Every 2nd level wizard (and really everybody else including CoD) would have this by 2nd level.  Druids and wizards have enough.  What to do...Maaaybe Req: bluff 8 ranks.  Opposed bluff check.  Still provoke an AoO.  No counterspell.  Useful for the bard (needs a boost), sorcerer (also needs a boost if he wants to compete with the wiz with a wand/scroll belt) and probably the bedazzler (doesn't need a boost really)  idk.I believe the idea is that you conceal your exact position behind your long flowing dress and such.  But sure, I agree that it should be a perform check.I agree that spellcraft doesn't fit.  Really, I think Knowledge (Arcana) is the best fit.  Appraise is really about finding the value of an item where Kno (arcana) is about everything magical (except casting/identifying/scribing spells- that's spellcraft.)  I just thought of an argument for appraise though.  Any given magical property has a gold cost associated with it.  A mage armor scroll is less valuable than a wish scroll for example.  Appraise would be useless if the appraiser didn't know the magical properties of said item.  Perhaps appraise would be the best.  I just can't decide.  I really see tumble here.</blockquote>

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