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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 6362776" data-attributes="member: 57383">That works for me. I'll update the <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?295726-Converting-Spelljammer-creatures&amp;p=6312426&amp;viewfull=1#post6312426" target="_blank">Gammaroid Working Draft</a> with the rough draft plus the background stuff.Great minds think alike, I was using the Devastation Vermin as a baseline to guesstimate them at around CR 40 as well.A party appropriate to a CR of that level is likely to have members with at least Spot 50+, even with mild investment (e.g. maxing out ranks and buying eyes of the eagle). A &quot;Spotinator&quot; could easily exceed Spot 60+.Going back to the last question in my previous post, do we want it to have epic level camouflage?If we give it the DC 50+ camouflage it'd need to have a chance of fooling Epic opponents, than ordinary level sailors would never recognize a camouflaged Gammaroid.Gammaroids don't live in areas that are only frequented by epic level creatures, they flit around open space with all the other space beasties. I'd rather there be a chance a skilled mid-level sailor would be able to cry out &quot;Cap'n! Ware gammaroid! That there rock be a space turtle! Steer clear! Steer clear!&quot;.That'd require the Camouflage to be nearer the DC 25 it is at the moment.A 5th level character with Alertness and eyes of the eagle can easily have Spot +15 or higher. (8 ranks +2 feat +5 item = 15), which is at least a 50% chance of noticing the Camouflage.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 6362776, member: 57383"] That works for me. I'll update the [B][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?295726-Converting-Spelljammer-creatures&p=6312426&viewfull=1#post6312426"][B]Gammaroid Working Draft[/B][/URL][/B] with the rough draft plus the background stuff. Great minds think alike, I was using the Devastation Vermin as a baseline to guesstimate them at around CR 40 as well. A party appropriate to a CR of that level is likely to have members with at least Spot 50+, even with mild investment (e.g. maxing out ranks and buying [I]eyes of the eagle[/I]). A "Spotinator" could easily exceed Spot 60+. Going back to the last question in my previous post, do we want it to have epic level camouflage? If we give it the DC 50+ camouflage it'd need to have a chance of fooling Epic opponents, than ordinary level sailors would never recognize a camouflaged Gammaroid. Gammaroids don't live in areas that are only frequented by epic level creatures, they flit around open space with all the other space beasties. I'd rather there be a chance a skilled mid-level sailor would be able to cry out "Cap'n! Ware gammaroid! That there rock be a space turtle! Steer clear! Steer clear!". That'd require the Camouflage to be nearer the DC 25 it is at the moment. A 5th level character with Alertness and [I]eyes of the eagle[/I] can easily have Spot +15 or higher. (8 ranks +2 feat +5 item = 15), which is at least a 50% chance of noticing the Camouflage. [/QUOTE]

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