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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 6455015" data-attributes="member: 57383">I could go with either 1d8 or 1d12 acid damage per tentacle.The original Gammaroid had an average damage output of 220 hp versus the Noble Gossamer's average of 70, which lead to my suggestion of 1d8 based on some reasonable-seeming Power Attack assumptions for the Gammaroid.However, the 100 HD Gammaroid's has a lot more hit points in 3E than 2E due to its higher Constitution (1,850 hp instead of 450 hp), especially compared to the 58 HD Noble Gossamer with its lower Constitution (725 hp instead of 261 hp).That's a 48% higher ratio between their hit points (1,850/725 is 2.55, 450/261 is 1.72). If we applied that +48% ratio to the Gossamer's acid damage, or 1.48 times the 4.5 average of 1d8, it works out to 6.66, or just above the 6.5 average of a d12.However, looking at it from the other way the Gammaroid has a lot lower damage ratio versus the Noble Gossamer's hit points in 3E than it does in 2E. If we use the 50-point Power Attack assumption it'll likely take three rounds to kill the Noble Gossamer - its 300-odd average damage is roughly 41% of the Gossamer's 725 hit points. By comparison, the AD&amp;D version 220 point average damage output is about 84% to the Gossamer's 261 average hit points! Even if the 3E went full out with a 100-point full Power Attack it can't burn through the Gossamer's hit points that fast, since its average damage of about 450 damage per round is roughly 62% of the Gossamer's hp.Yes, something like that. I'm thinking we'd use the usual &quot;holding but not considered grappled at a -20 grapple check&quot; rule for multiple opponents, since I don't think the tentacles are likely to have that strong a grip - it likely relies more on paralyzing its victims than overpowering them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 6455015, member: 57383"] I could go with either 1d8 or 1d12 acid damage per tentacle. The original Gammaroid had an average damage output of 220 hp versus the Noble Gossamer's average of 70, which lead to my suggestion of 1d8 based on some reasonable-seeming Power Attack assumptions for the Gammaroid. However, the 100 HD Gammaroid's has a lot more hit points in 3E than 2E due to its higher Constitution (1,850 hp instead of 450 hp), especially compared to the 58 HD Noble Gossamer with its lower Constitution (725 hp instead of 261 hp). That's a 48% higher ratio between their hit points (1,850/725 is 2.55, 450/261 is 1.72). If we applied that +48% ratio to the Gossamer's acid damage, or 1.48 times the 4.5 average of 1d8, it works out to 6.66, or just above the 6.5 average of a d12. However, looking at it from the other way the Gammaroid has a lot lower damage ratio versus the Noble Gossamer's hit points in 3E than it does in 2E. If we use the 50-point Power Attack assumption it'll likely take three rounds to kill the Noble Gossamer - its 300-odd average damage is roughly 41% of the Gossamer's 725 hit points. By comparison, the AD&D version 220 point average damage output is about 84% to the Gossamer's 261 average hit points! Even if the 3E went full out with a 100-point full Power Attack it can't burn through the Gossamer's hit points that fast, since its average damage of about 450 damage per round is roughly 62% of the Gossamer's hp. Yes, something like that. I'm thinking we'd use the usual "holding but not considered grappled at a -20 grapple check" rule for multiple opponents, since I don't think the tentacles are likely to have that strong a grip - it likely relies more on paralyzing its victims than overpowering them. [/QUOTE]

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