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Message: <blockquote data-quote="freyar" data-source="post: 7512789" data-attributes="member: 40227">Answering in no particular order: <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />I think version 1 is good for the breath weapon "reset" times.I can go for "epic or alignment" for the DR on these, as you suggest.How about any creature of Large size or smaller for Alternate Form?Bahamut-style immunities will work.Swim and burrow speeds are good, too. Plus the long-range darkvision and see invisibility.  That all seems reasonable.Didn't dragons back then generally cast as wizards, though?  Assuming that's the case, I'd rather update these to 3.X and give them sorceror casting.I can go for the revised abilities.  The +8 armor as deflection is ok, but a deflection bonus is often tied to Cha.  What about reducing NA to +37 and making it a +11 deflection bonus of some kind?</blockquote>