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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 7521713" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>We also need to decide on damage for her breath weapons.</p><p></p><p>My original idea was to give her the same damage for each breath weapon as a Great Wyrm dragon of that type, but upon reflection that seemed a bit weak for the less powerful dragons she emulates:</p><p></p><p>[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 500"]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]<strong>Dragon</strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<strong>Breath Weapon</strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<strong>Shape</strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<strong>Damage/Effect</strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]Amber[/TD]</p><p>[TD]jade-green gas[/TD]</p><p>[TD]80 ft. cone[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d10 acid </p><p>plus 3d6 jade curse*[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD][/TD]</p><p>[TD]ruby-red flames[/TD]</p><p>[TD]80 ft. cone[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d10 fire </p><p>plus 3d6 ruby curse*[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]Black[/TD]</p><p>[TD]acid[/TD]</p><p>[TD]140 ft. line[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d4 acid[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]Brass[/TD]</p><p>[TD]flames[/TD]</p><p>[TD]140 ft. line[/TD]</p><p>[TD]12d6 fire[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD][/TD]</p><p>[TD]sleep gas[/TD]</p><p>[TD]80 ft. cone[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<em>sleep</em> for 1d6+12 rounds[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]Copper[/TD]</p><p>[TD]acid[/TD]</p><p>[TD]140 ft. line[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d4 acid[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD][/TD]</p><p>[TD]slow gas[/TD]</p><p>[TD]80 ft. cone[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<em>slowed</em> for 1d6+12 rounds[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]Red[/TD]</p><p>[TD]flames[/TD]</p><p>[TD]80 ft. cone[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d10 fire[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]White[/TD]</p><p>[TD]frost[/TD]</p><p>[TD]80 ft. cone[/TD]</p><p>[TD]12d6 cold[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[/TABLE]</p><p></p><p>A 12d6 breath weapon has an average damage that's less than a third of a 24d10 breath weapon, making it such an unoptimal selection Pearl is unlikely to use it except in special circumstances.</p><p></p><p>Maybe have the weakest dragons (White & Brass) do 24d6 damage, the mid-strength dragons (Black & Copper) 24d8 and keep the 24d10 of the strongest (Amber & Red)?</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Like so:</p><p></p><p>[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 500"]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]<strong>Dragon</strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<strong>Original Damage</strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<strong>Average</strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<strong>Damage</strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<strong>Average</strong>[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]Amber[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d10 acid </p><p>plus 3d6 jade curse*[/TD]</p><p>[TD]132</p><p>plus 10.5[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d10</p><p>plus 3d6[/TD]</p><p>[TD]132</p><p>plus 10.5[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD][/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d10 fire </p><p>plus 3d6 ruby curse*[/TD]</p><p>[TD]132</p><p>plus 10.5[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d10</p><p>plus 3d6[/TD]</p><p>[TD]132</p><p>plus 10.5[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]Black[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d4 acid[/TD]</p><p>[TD]60[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d8[/TD]</p><p>[TD]108[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]Brass[/TD]</p><p>[TD]12d6 fire[/TD]</p><p>[TD]42[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d6[/TD]</p><p>[TD]84[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD][/TD]</p><p>[TD]<em>sleep</em> for 1d6+12 rounds[/TD]</p><p>[TD]n/a[/TD]</p><p>[TD][/TD]</p><p>[TD][/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]Copper[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d4 acid[/TD]</p><p>[TD]60[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d8[/TD]</p><p>[TD]108[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD][/TD]</p><p>[TD]<em>slowed</em> for 1d6+12 rounds[/TD]</p><p>[TD]n/a[/TD]</p><p>[TD][/TD]</p><p>[TD][/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]Red[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d10 fire[/TD]</p><p>[TD]132[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d10[/TD]</p><p>[TD]132[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]White[/TD]</p><p>[TD]12d6 cold[/TD]</p><p>[TD]42[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d6[/TD]</p><p>[TD]84[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[/TABLE]</p><p></p><p>Hmm… I'm tempted to bump them all up a dice size. She is supposed to be the boss of all Chaotics, after all:</p><p></p><p>[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 500"]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]<strong>Dragon</strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<strong>Original Damage</strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<strong>Average</strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<strong>Damage</strong></p><p><strong></strong>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<strong>Average</strong>[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]Amber[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d10 acid </p><p>plus 3d6 jade curse*[/TD]</p><p>[TD]132</p><p>plus 10.5[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d12</p><p>plus 4d6[/TD]</p><p>[TD]156</p><p>plus 14[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD][/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d10 fire </p><p>plus 3d6 ruby curse*[/TD]</p><p>[TD]132</p><p>plus 10.5[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d12</p><p>plus 4d6[/TD]</p><p>[TD]156</p><p>plus 14[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]Black[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d4 acid[/TD]</p><p>[TD]60[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d10[/TD]</p><p>[TD]132[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]Brass[/TD]</p><p>[TD]12d6 fire[/TD]</p><p>[TD]42[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d8[/TD]</p><p>[TD]108[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD][/TD]</p><p>[TD]<em>sleep</em> for 1d6+12 rounds[/TD]</p><p>[TD]n/a[/TD]</p><p>[TD][/TD]</p><p>[TD][/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]Copper[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d4 acid[/TD]</p><p>[TD]60[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d10[/TD]</p><p>[TD]132[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD][/TD]</p><p>[TD]<em>slowed</em> for 1d6+12 rounds[/TD]</p><p>[TD]n/a[/TD]</p><p>[TD][/TD]</p><p>[TD][/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]Red[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d10 fire[/TD]</p><p>[TD]132[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d12[/TD]</p><p>[TD]156[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]White[/TD]</p><p>[TD]12d6 cold[/TD]</p><p>[TD]42[/TD]</p><p>[TD]24d8[/TD]</p><p>[TD]108[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[/TABLE]</p><p></p><p>Alternatively we just have ALL the breath weapons do the same damage - maybe 24d12? In the original rules her breath weapon did damage based on her current hit points as per a standard BECMI/AD&D dragon.</p><p></p><p>Upon reflection, that's a lot easier.</p><p></p><p>So shall we make it 24d12 for all energy breaths, plus 4d6 curse for the Amber's curses?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 7521713, member: 57383"] We also need to decide on damage for her breath weapons. My original idea was to give her the same damage for each breath weapon as a Great Wyrm dragon of that type, but upon reflection that seemed a bit weak for the less powerful dragons she emulates: [TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 500"] [TR] [TD][B]Dragon [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Breath Weapon [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Shape [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Damage/Effect [/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Amber[/TD] [TD]jade-green gas[/TD] [TD]80 ft. cone[/TD] [TD]24d10 acid plus 3d6 jade curse*[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]ruby-red flames[/TD] [TD]80 ft. cone[/TD] [TD]24d10 fire plus 3d6 ruby curse*[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Black[/TD] [TD]acid[/TD] [TD]140 ft. line[/TD] [TD]24d4 acid[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Brass[/TD] [TD]flames[/TD] [TD]140 ft. line[/TD] [TD]12d6 fire[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]sleep gas[/TD] [TD]80 ft. cone[/TD] [TD][I]sleep[/I] for 1d6+12 rounds[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Copper[/TD] [TD]acid[/TD] [TD]140 ft. line[/TD] [TD]24d4 acid[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]slow gas[/TD] [TD]80 ft. cone[/TD] [TD][I]slowed[/I] for 1d6+12 rounds[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Red[/TD] [TD]flames[/TD] [TD]80 ft. cone[/TD] [TD]24d10 fire[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]White[/TD] [TD]frost[/TD] [TD]80 ft. cone[/TD] [TD]12d6 cold[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] A 12d6 breath weapon has an average damage that's less than a third of a 24d10 breath weapon, making it such an unoptimal selection Pearl is unlikely to use it except in special circumstances. Maybe have the weakest dragons (White & Brass) do 24d6 damage, the mid-strength dragons (Black & Copper) 24d8 and keep the 24d10 of the strongest (Amber & Red)? EDIT: Like so: [TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 500"] [TR] [TD][B]Dragon [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Original Damage [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Average [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Damage [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Average[/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Amber[/TD] [TD]24d10 acid plus 3d6 jade curse*[/TD] [TD]132 plus 10.5[/TD] [TD]24d10 plus 3d6[/TD] [TD]132 plus 10.5[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]24d10 fire plus 3d6 ruby curse*[/TD] [TD]132 plus 10.5[/TD] [TD]24d10 plus 3d6[/TD] [TD]132 plus 10.5[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Black[/TD] [TD]24d4 acid[/TD] [TD]60[/TD] [TD]24d8[/TD] [TD]108[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Brass[/TD] [TD]12d6 fire[/TD] [TD]42[/TD] [TD]24d6[/TD] [TD]84[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][I]sleep[/I] for 1d6+12 rounds[/TD] [TD]n/a[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Copper[/TD] [TD]24d4 acid[/TD] [TD]60[/TD] [TD]24d8[/TD] [TD]108[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][I]slowed[/I] for 1d6+12 rounds[/TD] [TD]n/a[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Red[/TD] [TD]24d10 fire[/TD] [TD]132[/TD] [TD]24d10[/TD] [TD]132[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]White[/TD] [TD]12d6 cold[/TD] [TD]42[/TD] [TD]24d6[/TD] [TD]84[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Hmm… I'm tempted to bump them all up a dice size. She is supposed to be the boss of all Chaotics, after all: [TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 500"] [TR] [TD][B]Dragon [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Original Damage [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Average [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Damage [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Average[/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Amber[/TD] [TD]24d10 acid plus 3d6 jade curse*[/TD] [TD]132 plus 10.5[/TD] [TD]24d12 plus 4d6[/TD] [TD]156 plus 14[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]24d10 fire plus 3d6 ruby curse*[/TD] [TD]132 plus 10.5[/TD] [TD]24d12 plus 4d6[/TD] [TD]156 plus 14[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Black[/TD] [TD]24d4 acid[/TD] [TD]60[/TD] [TD]24d10[/TD] [TD]132[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Brass[/TD] [TD]12d6 fire[/TD] [TD]42[/TD] [TD]24d8[/TD] [TD]108[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][I]sleep[/I] for 1d6+12 rounds[/TD] [TD]n/a[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Copper[/TD] [TD]24d4 acid[/TD] [TD]60[/TD] [TD]24d10[/TD] [TD]132[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][I]slowed[/I] for 1d6+12 rounds[/TD] [TD]n/a[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Red[/TD] [TD]24d10 fire[/TD] [TD]132[/TD] [TD]24d12[/TD] [TD]156[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]White[/TD] [TD]12d6 cold[/TD] [TD]42[/TD] [TD]24d8[/TD] [TD]108[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Alternatively we just have ALL the breath weapons do the same damage - maybe 24d12? In the original rules her breath weapon did damage based on her current hit points as per a standard BECMI/AD&D dragon. Upon reflection, that's a lot easier. So shall we make it 24d12 for all energy breaths, plus 4d6 curse for the Amber's curses? [/QUOTE]
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