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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 8715689" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Yeck, let's just use that and move on:</p><p></p><p>Updating <strong><a href="https://enworld.org/index.php?posts/8504768" target="_blank">Opal the Sun Dragon Working Draft</a></strong>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's tricky.</p><p></p><p>Pearl is "epic or lawful" and presumably diamond is going to be either "epic or chaotic" or "epic and chaotic" so we want Opal to be in between. Making it epic plus any alignment or one of the alignment axes like law/chaos made sense to me.</p><p></p><p>How about "epic or any two alignments (i.e. chaotic evil, chaotic good, lawful evil or lawful good)" so he's vulnerable to alignment extremes?</p><p></p><p>If we make it just epic Opal's DR is still harder to piece than Pearl.</p><p></p><p>Don't like the idea of using a Special Material.</p><p></p><p>I'll have to think about it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Afraid not.</p><p></p><p>Combining the "component neutral dragons" adds to:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Spell-Like Abilities (Neutral Dragons):</strong> At will—<em>detect thoughts</em> (DC 23), <em>plane shift</em> (DC 28); 18/day—<em>blink</em>; 3/day—<em>black tentacles</em>, <em>charm animal</em> (DC 22), <em>control water</em> (DC 27), <em>deep slumber</em> (DC 24), <em>entangle</em> (DC 22), <em>false vision</em> (DC 26), <em>greater command</em> (DC 26), <em>hideous laughter</em> (DC 23), <em>hold animal</em> (DC 23), <em>sculpt sound</em> (DC 24), <em>shatter</em> (DC 23), <em>solid fog</em> (DC 25), <em>song of discord</em> (DC 26), <em>suggestion</em> (DC 24); 1/day—<em>blight</em> (DC 26), <em>charm monster</em> (DC 25), <em>commune with nature</em>, <em>contagion</em> (DC 25), <em>control weather</em>, <em>demand</em> (DC 29), <em>dominate animal</em> (DC 24), <em>hallucinatory terrain</em> (DC 25), <em>hold monster</em> (DC 26), <em>irresistible dance</em>, <em>temporal stasis</em> (DC 29). Caster level 20th. The save DCs are Charisma-based.</p><p></p><p>However, we need to give him some Dragon Ruler / Demon Price level generic At will SLAs too.</p><p></p><p>The problem is many of these are alignment-dependent.</p><p></p><p>Pearl had <em>astral projection</em>, <em>chaos hammer</em> (DC 25), <em>cloak of chaos</em> (DC 29), <em>detect law</em>, <em>greater dispel magic</em>, <em>greater teleport</em>, <em>locate object</em>, <em>plane shift</em> (DC 28), <em>protection from law</em> (DC 22), <em>telekinesis</em>, <em>word of chaos</em> (DC 28).</p><p></p><p>There's no problem adding in <em>astral projection, greater dispel magic, greater teleport, locate object</em> and <em>telekinesis</em>, but we need alternatives for some of the others.</p><p></p><p>I'm fine giving Opal both the Lawful and Chaotic versions of <em>detect</em> & <em>protection</em> (i.e. <em>detect chaos, detect law, protection from chaos</em>, <em>protection from law</em>), but the Chaotic <em>hammer</em>, <em>cloak</em> and <em>word</em> SLAs needs substitutes of roughly similar level and effects.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 8715689, member: 57383"] Yeck, let's just use that and move on: Updating [B][URL='https://enworld.org/index.php?posts/8504768']Opal the Sun Dragon Working Draft[/URL][/B]. It's tricky. Pearl is "epic or lawful" and presumably diamond is going to be either "epic or chaotic" or "epic and chaotic" so we want Opal to be in between. Making it epic plus any alignment or one of the alignment axes like law/chaos made sense to me. How about "epic or any two alignments (i.e. chaotic evil, chaotic good, lawful evil or lawful good)" so he's vulnerable to alignment extremes? If we make it just epic Opal's DR is still harder to piece than Pearl. Don't like the idea of using a Special Material. I'll have to think about it. Afraid not. Combining the "component neutral dragons" adds to: [INDENT][B]Spell-Like Abilities (Neutral Dragons):[/B] At will—[I]detect thoughts[/I] (DC 23), [I]plane shift[/I] (DC 28); 18/day—[I]blink[/I]; 3/day—[I]black tentacles[/I], [I]charm animal[/I] (DC 22), [I]control water[/I] (DC 27), [I]deep slumber[/I] (DC 24), [I]entangle[/I] (DC 22), [I]false vision[/I] (DC 26), [I]greater command[/I] (DC 26), [I]hideous laughter[/I] (DC 23), [I]hold animal[/I] (DC 23), [I]sculpt sound[/I] (DC 24), [I]shatter[/I] (DC 23), [I]solid fog[/I] (DC 25), [I]song of discord[/I] (DC 26), [I]suggestion[/I] (DC 24); 1/day—[I]blight[/I] (DC 26), [I]charm monster[/I] (DC 25), [I]commune with nature[/I], [I]contagion[/I] (DC 25), [I]control weather[/I], [I]demand[/I] (DC 29), [I]dominate animal[/I] (DC 24), [I]hallucinatory terrain[/I] (DC 25), [I]hold monster[/I] (DC 26), [I]irresistible dance[/I], [I]temporal stasis[/I] (DC 29). Caster level 20th. The save DCs are Charisma-based.[/INDENT] However, we need to give him some Dragon Ruler / Demon Price level generic At will SLAs too. The problem is many of these are alignment-dependent. Pearl had [I]astral projection[/I], [I]chaos hammer[/I] (DC 25), [I]cloak of chaos[/I] (DC 29), [I]detect law[/I], [I]greater dispel magic[/I], [I]greater teleport[/I], [I]locate object[/I], [I]plane shift[/I] (DC 28), [I]protection from law[/I] (DC 22), [I]telekinesis[/I], [I]word of chaos[/I] (DC 28). There's no problem adding in [I]astral projection, greater dispel magic, greater teleport, locate object[/I] and [I]telekinesis[/I], but we need alternatives for some of the others. I'm fine giving Opal both the Lawful and Chaotic versions of [I]detect[/I] & [I]protection[/I] (i.e. [I]detect chaos, detect law, protection from chaos[/I], [I]protection from law[/I]), but the Chaotic [I]hammer[/I], [I]cloak[/I] and [I]word[/I] SLAs needs substitutes of roughly similar level and effects. [/QUOTE]
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