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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9350448" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Men are not supposed to use magic, but I believe Aragorn was adopted by Elves.Aragorn also had visions sitting on the Seat of Seeing and let's remember that seat was built by men. This is a D&D forum discussing a D&D class.  The idiosyncrasies to how D&D defines magic are the only ones that are relevant in this discussion and in that respect chanting, singing some words over the and then them being healed healing someone is EXACTLY what a magic spell is as it pertains to D&D magic (which is what we are discussing).Calling someone back from what is assumed to be near death - also magic.While we are talking about terms, the term "magic" as it is practically applied in the modern era refers to an entertainer employing slight of hand or real life illusions as practiced by David Copperfield and Penn & Teller.  But that is not what we are talking about here, we are using the D&D definition of it and in that definition Aragorn used magic (and renowned magicians like Copperfield and P&T don't). When you did it, did your words also "heal her body and you recall her spirit from the Dark Valley"?Was what you did something no one else standing around talking about it would have been able to do?  Would the person you shouted awake have died if she awoke in despair?I am not reading into this, that is what Tolkien wrote!</blockquote>