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<blockquote data-quote="Not a Decepticon" data-source="post: 9359105" data-attributes="member: 7020527">Then I would like to see any actual data.Simple then, do not describe one race as stronger. Use different, more precise language to describe in what way they are stronger. See my example. Orcs are great at charging their enemies and hard to put down. Dwarves are used to wearing metal armor. Goliaths can lift more. Plain and simple way to show different forms of strength and diffirentiate each race, without bland &quot;stronger by two points all across the board, in all ways a character can be strong equally&quot;.And point buy is a more balanced way of creating characters, more reliable and predictable than swingly rolling. Maybe this further proves racial ASI are a bad game design, that doesn't even interact well with other parts of character creation?I am all for changes to the lore that force writers and designers to make races more unique than &quot;They are strong but rude, +2 Str, -2 Cha&quot; or &quot;They are Strong, but dumb, +2 Str, -2 Cha&quot;. Force the creators to give us more interesting lore and more racial qualitis that reflect it.You speak of civil discussion, yet trying to repedatelly dismiss me and people like me as playing d&amp;d wrong, or in other ways not mattering, just to justify your own preference, argue in defence of a point you don't even believe in, seemingly to waste other peoples time and get irritated when your words aren't trusted without hint of a doubt and you are asked to prove it. You have no right to speak of civil discussion.And the example with half-orc...you mean what Goliath can achieve with powerful build trait, without being also pushed towards being meele character?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Not a Decepticon, post: 9359105, member: 7020527"] Then I would like to see any actual data. Simple then, do not describe one race as stronger. Use different, more precise language to describe in what way they are stronger. See my example. Orcs are great at charging their enemies and hard to put down. Dwarves are used to wearing metal armor. Goliaths can lift more. Plain and simple way to show different forms of strength and diffirentiate each race, without bland "stronger by two points all across the board, in all ways a character can be strong equally". And point buy is a more balanced way of creating characters, more reliable and predictable than swingly rolling. Maybe this further proves racial ASI are a bad game design, that doesn't even interact well with other parts of character creation? I am all for changes to the lore that force writers and designers to make races more unique than "They are strong but rude, +2 Str, -2 Cha" or "They are Strong, but dumb, +2 Str, -2 Cha". Force the creators to give us more interesting lore and more racial qualitis that reflect it. You speak of civil discussion, yet trying to repedatelly dismiss me and people like me as playing d&d wrong, or in other ways not mattering, just to justify your own preference, argue in defence of a point you don't even believe in, seemingly to waste other peoples time and get irritated when your words aren't trusted without hint of a doubt and you are asked to prove it. You have no right to speak of civil discussion. And the example with half-orc...you mean what Goliath can achieve with powerful build trait, without being also pushed towards being meele character? [/QUOTE]

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