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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest 7037866" data-source="post: 9360420">I really think you need to get the idea that 8 is a minimum out of your head. The default method for generating ability score is still roll 4d6, drop lowest. You can roll below 8. It is not "willingly decreasing a dump stat", it is the lowest score you rolled. It's rare, sure, but it happens. So, the lowest score you can have IS a 3.Actually, it depends on what you do with the point-buy, there are sets which give you a better average stats than rolling.Regardless, rolling is a risk-reward scenario compared to the standard array or point-buy. You might generate better scores, but they often won't be significantly better, and they can be worse...Not at all. It is only pigeonholing if play that your highest score must be optimal to your class.As far as what a player "dreams of playing", if a player has such a strong vision in mind, you might as well just let them pick their ability scores so they get to "play what they're dreaming of".I've never met a player who, new or otherwise, who felt bullied when I told them we are rolling in order. Two years ago I played with a group of entirely new players (they just started D&D about a month or so before we met). One of them was DMing, but they asked me to take over. I had them roll in order, and no issues at all.You're entitled to your opinion, certainly! My opinion is the best option is to remove them, and just roll. In order or not, doesn't matter to me if you don't have any way to inflate your scores beyond the rolls.Racial adjustments is not a poor idea, it makes sense to the fiction. There is no "now that we know better". A stronger race is stronger and should hit harder, for instance. The +1 damage bonus STR +2 grants represents that, too.I'm not saying there aren't other ways to do this. But different ways don't make one way good or poor over another, just different ways according to your personal tastes. ASIs don't "taste good" to you, and that's fine. I don't like them because I think inflating scores is unnecessary, not because I think another method to represent differences between races.Yeah, also when you consider all the things strength does in the game, it is odd that you are strong enough to lift more than a creature with equal strength, but you don't "hit harder".  <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷‍♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" title="Man shrugging    :man_shrugging:" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /></blockquote>

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