Reply to thread

Message

<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9361222" data-attributes="member: 23751">I'm not talking about D&amp;D with that.&nbsp; He absolutely is conflating Bruce Lee's skill with martial arts with strength when he implies that Bruce Lee is Stronger than Arnold.&nbsp; Bruce Lee was muscled, but it was wiry muscle.&nbsp; He probably had a 14 or 15 at most for strength. Arnold at his peak was in the 18-20 range.&nbsp; Looking at muscle only, Arnold whips Bruce's rear.&nbsp; When you add in martial arts, Bruce's monk levels make it so that Arnold is likely to lose. Bruce knows how to leverage his lesser strength to do as much or more damage.&nbsp; That's skill.Now to your point about ability score checks and skill checks for 5e.&nbsp; They are one and the same.&nbsp; A skill check IS an ability check in which everyone has some natural ability(or lack thereof) with.&nbsp; That's not skill, or at least not learned skill.&nbsp; That's just natural ability. Proficiency bonus is the learned skill portion of skill checks.&nbsp; I think the system leans too heavily into stat bonuses and not enough into skill, but I can see why they simplified it to that level.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9361222, member: 23751"] I'm not talking about D&D with that. He absolutely is conflating Bruce Lee's skill with martial arts with strength when he implies that Bruce Lee is Stronger than Arnold. Bruce Lee was muscled, but it was wiry muscle. He probably had a 14 or 15 at most for strength. Arnold at his peak was in the 18-20 range. Looking at muscle only, Arnold whips Bruce's rear. When you add in martial arts, Bruce's monk levels make it so that Arnold is likely to lose. Bruce knows how to leverage his lesser strength to do as much or more damage. That's skill. Now to your point about ability score checks and skill checks for 5e. They are one and the same. A skill check IS an ability check in which everyone has some natural ability(or lack thereof) with. That's not skill, or at least not learned skill. That's just natural ability. Proficiency bonus is the learned skill portion of skill checks. I think the system leans too heavily into stat bonuses and not enough into skill, but I can see why they simplified it to that level. [/QUOTE]

Verification