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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 9361302" data-attributes="member: 7635">Bruce Lee's muscles are different than Arnolds. Bruce trained for short, powerful bursts of energy, while Arnorld for Physique and lifting. Ask anyone familiar with physical fitness, and they will argue the two have very different types of strength. Of course, D&D is nowhere granular enough to account for a wiry lean muscle and a hulking, carved muscle, so it all gets lumped in. But if you were to measure all the different measurements that are attributed to D&D strength scores (striking, athletics, lifting, carrying, etc) and objectively measure Bruce and Arnold's records, I think their strength scores would be more evenly matched in the average. (Bruce would probably have greater athleticism, Arnold greater weightlifting capacity). However, since D&D is too simple to reflect that, you end up with what you just said: assuming equal proficiency bonus, Arnold is a better athlete than Bruce because he has a higher perceived Strength Score. I'm suggesting that Strength scores should be divorced from the notion of muscle mass or weightlifting. Those can be influenced by strength, but they should not be based on it. That way, you get a lanky but wiry Bruce with a 16 strength and a muscular Arnold at a 17 or 18 and you don't have to let your head explode how a 5′ 8″, 141 lbs, guy could almost match a 6' 2",: 235 lb guy.The common denominator is that it is a species trait, not a function of actual height and weight. Put another way, Halflings get a trait where they can hide behind a creature of one size larger and move freely in their space; this is not a feature of being 3ft or else gnomes and goblins would be able to do the same. Citation needed.Of course, D&D math makes that an issue by, as you said, making Proficiency bonus (+2 +6) as important as ability mod (-5 to +5, but realistically -1 to +5). Thus, even if AArnoldhas no martial training, his raw strength ability mod can equal out a large amount of Bruce's proficiency bonus. (and I was not trying to get into class functions, I just assume both have the Actor class).</blockquote>

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