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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flights of Fancy" data-source="post: 9668743" data-attributes="member: 7037975">You're missing the point in the analogy: both paths get you exactly where you want to go. There is no benefit to the longer more twisted path.You're thinking the longer path gives you more to see, but it doesn't. What there "is to see" is at the destination, not the journey,Less often works better than more, which is why people strive for effeciency.Bards have more spell access than Rangers, can fight as well with the subclass options, have any skills they want, and expertise by default. So... you're dead wrong.Many people have discussed how the Scout Rogue makes for a better ranger experience. So, nuff said.Good for you. I remain on the other side. And "brand new class" just makes me and others I know roll our eyes and sigh, "More junk? More power creep? More imbalance?" Now, you get that with subclasses, too, which is why a new subclass should only be made if you LITERALLY cannot play a concept AT ALL using what is already available.Anyway, I mean I know it is a losing battle on my side, and others I know already jumped ship at this point. "Our" D&D has been killed. We already discussed other game systems last night instead of playing D&D. Nimble is looking mighty good, for instance. The new 5E players are excited about 3E d20 Star Wars, too. 2014 5E will be my last D&D. Oh well, all good things must come to an end. 2024 is our end.</blockquote>