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Message: <blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 9684971" data-attributes="member: 6704184">If my wife ends up still unhappy with her rangers after using 2024 for a couple levels, we might look at that Ranger or build one ourselves. Even then it felt wrong until we got primal utility powers for the class. Weird word choice then. Tools. The Ranger using tools doesn’t interfere with using anything else. It isn’t a “different direction” that pulls against the rest of the class.No, they don’t. They both mostly shoot or stab things, and use skills and magic outside of combat. All that is needed is ways for the Ranger to turn spell slots into adventuring resources, allowing a dial for how much magic your Ranger uses. No one asks for that. They ask for a pet that doesn’t die immediately when the dragon uses its breath weapon, and can add a worthwhile amount of damage to encounter. Using up your whole subclass is plenty for that, and as a core feature it could be even stronger without using up even half the power of the class, much less leave the ranger themselves as secondary to their pet. That isn’t even a thing. You can flavor any edition spells as items. That’s literally just less good Ranger with spells. It’s the same gameplay, but less of it because you run out of spells faster and your spells are lower level. The wow hunter literally deals great damage while the pet tanks…neither is powerful without the other. It’s an even split of power at most, but really the Hunter is still more than the pet, last I played. The worst Ranger option in 4e by far. So bad it was better to take Fey Beast Tamer theme. What. That isn’t even a Ranger concept. That’s just a Druid with a pet focus. And yes, the Druid should be the one that can trade wild shape for a strong pet that they can buff with spell slots, and be the ultimate Beastmaster, not the Ranger. The Warlock? I mean, it’s a full caster with powerful at-will combat potential, of course the pet is weak. We are discussing a half caster putting power options into the pet rather than further boosting their own power, there is much more room for that. And the subclass could be adding to an existing beast feature, which would allow even more power for the pet. The Warlock isn’t even top tier, though. And the “abusable” builds all either rely on mixing three Cha classes into a weird Frankenstein, or cheesy rules interpretations that no one took seriously. So no, the invocation model is not a problem.</blockquote>

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