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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9685006" data-attributes="member: 63508">Agreed.And you still want to take Ritual caster to do some magic.The 4e Ranger could kill anything but it stunk at actually finding and getting to the thing needed to be killed.Tools have a direction gameplay loop due to its typical different resource management system.Nah. The Martial/Spell Ranger is expected to use a spell in the majority of its major combats or explorations. The Dabbler runs more like a straight fighter and has a few weak spells to get serious Not gonna get a pet that can survive dragon breaths or magic AOE without dedication of >50% of the class to it.I was referring to the frequency/power of 3e ranger spells.And 3e wand abuse. Agreed.I've seen people describe this gameplay in their disappointment of the BM Ranger.The point is you can't point to the Warlock as an example as it's pet is not a combat pet.Again the point is the idea that you easily can make a class that can split into 5 separate direction without introducing abuse or having 1 or more of those direction being unsatisfactory is wishful thinking.The entire strength of class based RPG gaming is that you can focus on a particular type of archetype by designing a class purposely with those archetypal tropes and balance them with the fact that the different abilities are siloed away from each other by being in different classes.</blockquote>