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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9694567" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Well, at least with mage armor, because you can swap out one Sorcerer spell each time you level up, you can replace it with something more useful once you hit level 3--which is quite reasonable, since that also gets you 2nd level spells.But your remaining points are quite valid. Personally, I'm of the opinion that there should be a blanket rule: If you gain a feature through a class, subclass, or feat that would be a duplicate of what you already have, you may retrain the original feature to something else of equivalent level. So, if you gain chromatic orb as a 1st-level Sorcerer, and then gain it by becoming a Draconic Sorcerer at 3rd, you can instantly retrain the original chromatic orb to any other 1st-level spell.This still leaves some gaps--like mage armor and the Draconic armor bonus--but those are generally infrequent enough that it's less of an issue.Ah, sorry, hadn't read this far and didn't see this. I guess I just see this as a reasonable "cost of doing business" thing. You want the extra armor, pick it up at 1st level and swap it at 3rd. Don't want to swap, or want to swap something else? Might have to accept not having much AC until 3rd level!Sure. It's one of the (many) reasons why true Novice Levels, rather than the "levels 1 and 2 are training wheels to be skipped" approach, would have been significantly better.We're running into the inherent illogic, the baked-in artificiality, of the class-and-level system. Knowledge in the real world doesn't come in large, chunky blocks. At most, it comes in very small chunks, like learning one specific skill (e.g. "how to take the derivative of a polynomial" or "what a redox reaction is" or "how to true up a board"), which spread out over a significant period of time. One does not go from being a rube to being "trained" in a skill all at once. The problem is, it's...generally not very fun to play through this really really gradual, tiny-bit-by-tiny-bit growth, unless the system has been specifically designed for it. (This is another of the reasons to have robust Novice Level rules--because, if implemented in a 13A "incremental advance" kind of way, they DO allow us to parcel out one little chunk at a time.) D&D isn't and, with the possible exception of 4e, never has been designed that way. 13th Age was, as noted, but it's far from typical.</blockquote>

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