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<blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 6595505" data-attributes="member: 6677017"><p>I didn't read most of the thread, but I want to offer some conclusions I've come to after my discussion <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?424572-What-is-Warlock%92s-At-will-damage-As-Intended" target="_blank">over here</a> (not necessary to read):</p><p></p><p>Conclusion: Warlocks are like two different classes outside of combat and inside of combat.</p><p></p><p><strong>Outside of combat</strong>, a Pact of the Tome warlock <strong>is a like a full-caster</strong>. He isn't as flexible as the best full-casters, but his combination of cantrips, rituals, at-will invocations, and the ability to cast certain spells all day long if he takes short rests puts him on par with a full caster. The other types of warlocks are borderline/bottom of the barrel full casters outside of combat.</p><p></p><p><strong>Inside combat</strong> a warlock <strong>is not a full caster</strong>. Their spell list and spell slots are designed to prevent this. This is why they have things like at-will invocations that replicate a 5th level spell, but the invocations that grant them additional combat spells are 1/day using a spell slot. Instead, inside combat they are designed to be <strong>mid-tier strikers</strong>. This is why they get the best attack cantrip, a damage adding invocation that is borderline overpowered, and <em>hex</em>.</p><p></p><p>In other words, they reduced their full-caster abilities to lower-tier (and mostly restricted them to out of combat), so that they could justify raising their in-combat striker ability to completely outclass all other full casters.</p><p></p><p>If they had the capability of a full-caster inside of combat, they would be highly overpowered because their at-will damage is <em>much</em> higher than any other full caster dreams of.</p><p></p><p>So that's what a warlock is. Borderline to lower-tier full-caster outside of combat; mid-tier striker inside of combat, and <em>highly</em> customizable play experience via invocations chosen.</p><p></p><p>It's different than every other class, but it definitely isn't underpowered.* </p><p></p><p>*Unless you pick Pact of the Blade, of course. Then you become both highly attribute dependent and magic item dependent just to keep up (forget about surpassing) with what you can get with nothing more than the basic Agonizing Blast + <em>hex</em> package (that you can still easily afford even with Pact of the Blade).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sword of Spirit, post: 6595505, member: 6677017"] I didn't read most of the thread, but I want to offer some conclusions I've come to after my discussion [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?424572-What-is-Warlock%92s-At-will-damage-As-Intended"]over here[/URL] (not necessary to read): Conclusion: Warlocks are like two different classes outside of combat and inside of combat. [B]Outside of combat[/B], a Pact of the Tome warlock [B]is a like a full-caster[/B]. He isn't as flexible as the best full-casters, but his combination of cantrips, rituals, at-will invocations, and the ability to cast certain spells all day long if he takes short rests puts him on par with a full caster. The other types of warlocks are borderline/bottom of the barrel full casters outside of combat. [B]Inside combat[/B] a warlock [B]is not a full caster[/B]. Their spell list and spell slots are designed to prevent this. This is why they have things like at-will invocations that replicate a 5th level spell, but the invocations that grant them additional combat spells are 1/day using a spell slot. Instead, inside combat they are designed to be [B]mid-tier strikers[/B]. This is why they get the best attack cantrip, a damage adding invocation that is borderline overpowered, and [I]hex[/I]. In other words, they reduced their full-caster abilities to lower-tier (and mostly restricted them to out of combat), so that they could justify raising their in-combat striker ability to completely outclass all other full casters. If they had the capability of a full-caster inside of combat, they would be highly overpowered because their at-will damage is [I]much[/I] higher than any other full caster dreams of. So that's what a warlock is. Borderline to lower-tier full-caster outside of combat; mid-tier striker inside of combat, and [I]highly[/I] customizable play experience via invocations chosen. It's different than every other class, but it definitely isn't underpowered.* *Unless you pick Pact of the Blade, of course. Then you become both highly attribute dependent and magic item dependent just to keep up (forget about surpassing) with what you can get with nothing more than the basic Agonizing Blast + [I]hex[/I] package (that you can still easily afford even with Pact of the Blade). [/QUOTE]
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